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| Quote: saintyick "Made up we won the league saturday.
But like a lot of united fans, i'm very disappointed that it seems like Carlitos is going. I really think he is something who would die for the shirt, give 100% effort. The main point being apart from rooney who else as a striker chases back 60+ yards to win the ball back apart from Carlos? ![]()
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| Quote: Mark "Who did you play in the final 2001?'"
 Apolgies, I meant to put the first two UEFA Cups we won in the 70's, before the Champions League format came in and took most of the good teams away.
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| Quote: Mark "The last 2 times United have won it we have never lost a game? How did Liverpool get on in that respect in 2005?'"
I did put that bit in the original post, but perhaps didn't explain very well. Not taking anything away from your last two wins, just mean its not harder to win the Champions League now than the old European Cup. |
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| Quote: Dan_FC "How can you even put them into the same sentence?
Lennon is so overrated. Don't really see the big appeal.'"
He's better than Valencia 
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[quote="Neil HFC"]Hull Kingston Rovers - Pride of Hull FC's B Team.[/quote]
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| Quote: ash4hullfc "Not sure really, it's tough to call. Still think it was 50/50 whether it was a red or not due to how far out Kamara was and where the ball was travelling.'"
It was last man so he had to go its a huge loss for you if hes out as ive been impressed everytime ive seen him |
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| Quote: FireWire "I did put that bit in the original post, but perhaps didn't explain very well. Not taking anything away from your last two wins, just mean its not harder to win the Champions League now than the old European Cup.'"
Surely it is easier to win the Champions League, in the old days it was a 2 season job (win your own league then the European Cup) now you can scrape 4th and be 20+ points behind the best team in England, Italy, Spain or Germany and still you can win the Champions League the following year. |
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| Quote: FireWire "Maybe, but that was before the days of the Big 4, and the complete domination of the Premier League, La Liga and Serie A. Quality players were more spread out between the European leagues.
I was only just born when we won our 4th European Cup, but my knowledge of football history isn't bad. There were still top quality teams from the likes of Holland, France and Germany, plus the odd exceptional outfit from Eastern Bloc countries. Added to that, you couldn't afford to lose a couple of games and then go on to win it like you can now. We just had amazing sides under Paisley and then Joe Fagan.
I know Liverpool did this in 2005, but Manchester United's passage to this seasons final hasn't exactly been the most challenging either. I don't think old European Cup victories should be valued less than the modern day Champions League, this is what I'm getting at.'"
Interesting stuff this. For those non United/Liverpool fans who get annoyed when people debate football - YSB YSB YSB <sigh>
As has been pointed out, you could lose as many games as you liked as long as you won on aggregate (final excepting).
No doubt, there were some top quality teams/big clubs in the old days:-
Roma, Benfica, Bayern, Real Madrid - all teams that Liverpool played in Cups 1 to 4
However Liverpool did also have to face the might of
Odense, Aberdeen, OPS, Zurich, Crusaders and of course, Brugge.
I think it's harder these days for the reason you cited - top 4 in England eclipse most, if not all of Europe. If we played under the old system, United wouldn't have to face Barcelona in the final or Arsenal in the semi and Liverpool wouldn't have played for the Euopean Cup since George Michaal was straight and Michael Jackson was black. United would still be on 2 wins as well.
<BTW - I'm not belittling Liverpool's achievements, but they did play some dross to get up to 4. Although to be fair, so did United - Arsenal and Chelsea for starters. |
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| Quote: kirkamania6 "He's better than Valencia
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| Quote: kirkamania6 "I hope not
Lennon or Silva would do nicely ![]()
He shall be a Liverpool player next season 
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| Quote: PAUL M "Can they be as consistent again though Lee and can they do as well in the head to heads etc. Any other season Liverpool would have been champions.'"
This season has been the acid test for Liverpool. They've done almost everything they've had to do, except win the title. They posted their best ever points tally, only lost 2 games all season, scored the most goals, unbeaten at home all season, unbeaten against the other "three" (including doubles over Man Utd and Chelsea) yet they still never won the title. Unreal.
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| Quote: WireFanatic II "This season has been the acid test for Liverpool. They've done almost everything they've had to do, except win the title. They posted their best ever points tally, only lost 2 games all season, scored the most goals, unbeaten at home all season, unbeaten against the other "three" (including doubles over Man Utd and Chelsea) yet they still never won the title. Unreal.
They will be hard pressed to match or even improve on this years exploits next year. It will take some doing.'"
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Big question here, are any Liverpool fans on here, big enough and brave enough to admit that Rafa's attempt to take on Fergie with his "facts" were the major undoing of your season? Also I'm amazed how much coverage a team who has failed has been given on SKY...even dug Robbie Fowler up.
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