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Quote: Oldham Rhino "Wigan v Bolton rldoubtfulrl due to elf and safety concerns outside the stadium'"

Postponed - due to safety reasons

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Quote: Catalancs "Postponed - due to safety reasons'"

Half glad to be honest. Didn't fancy freezing my crackers off tonight.

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Quote: Karlos13 "Doing away games again now are we?
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[img]//www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/malcolm_glazer.jpg[/img] Thank you, Malc:



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I just wonder, one day, whether Hughes will look back and see Kolo Toure as being largely responsible for his downfall? He bestowed the title of captain upon him and he has let him down in every area including leadership, command of his defence and not least his comical defending. '"


He’s been terrible. He seems to make the other defenders panic too. IMO our best partnership would be Lescott and Nedum.


Quote: D.D. " In my book, the sale of Dunne and the pig-headed insistance on keeping the partnership of Toure and Lescott together, to justify his expenditure, has certainly been the major factor. '"


TBF Dunne was arguably the worst centre-half in the Prem last season, and, in general, he was pathetic for the latter half of Sven’s time at the club. He had to go.

I like Lescott. I think he will go on to be a key player for City. He has had two poor games but reading reports, he has had to miss quite a bit of training this season because of injury.


Quote: D.D. " However, the strange substitutions, the inability to motivate the big guns such as Robinho and Adebayor and the tactical naivety have all played their part. '"



Strange substitutions? You will generally find that fans think the manager of their club makes strange substitution decisions. It’s a widespread whinge made by supporters. What supporters don’t know, are the reasons behind the decisions. For example, the player may be running out of steam or have picked-up a knock. Is the player recovering from illness. Not to mention the tactical issues that supporters don’t understand. If management was so easy, I would be doing it.

IMO Adebayor looks annoyed with the tactics or the fact that his teammates are not carrying out instructions. Against Spurs, Given was kicking the ball to areas 20 or 30 metres away from where Adebayor was. Also, we seem to be getting into the habit of lumping it up to Adebayor but no-one is running beyond him. It’s therefore even a waste of time him challenging for the header as he outnumbered and he can hardly flick it on for himself while being challenged.

I have to disagree with Cibaman. Robinho can handle the physicality as he has great feet and balance. His problem is that he doesn’t have it in him to get a grip of a game. He needs teammates to do the donkey work for him.

Again, re the issue of tactics, I am unsure. Managers know a lot more than we do. It’s not as if we can see something they can’t. I am unsure what happened against Spurs. In the first 35 minutes I could not see Spurs scoring. They only had one attacking outlet. Our defenders pushed up to the half-way line as Defoe and Crouch did not have the pace to beat Onouha and Toure. It also brought into play Onouha if they tried firing the over-the-top ball to Lennon. Onouha could deal with his pace. In that first 35 minutes, Barry was helping out Sylvinho in dealing with Lennon. Spurs scored, and then suddenly, we started defending deeper and Barry was no longer helping out Sylvinho. Was Barry covering because Robinho ignored instructions to track-back? Did Barry simply think he has to play in a more attacking role and leave Sylvinho to his own devices? Was that a Hughes instruction or did Barry make that decision? Goodness knows.

Fans will often moan about the tactics of managers. United fans sometimes moan about Ferguson’s tactics and some Liverpool fans moan about Benitez’s tactics. Let’s just say the fans are right in criticising Ferguson and Benitez. Well if Ferguson and Benitez makes mistakes then we have to accept that the likes of Hughes will make mistakes too. I am wary about criticising the tactics of managers because they understand the game far more than we fans do.


Just out of interest – have you heard the rumours that Adebayor and Toure were essentially Brian Marwood signings that were reluctantly accepted by Hughes. Not sure how true it is.


I am not overjoyed with the appointment of Mancini. However, I am happy with Brian Kidd appointment. He is apparently an excellent coach. The question is though: how will Kidd and Mancini get on? I have a feeling it’s a short-term appointment.

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Mancini having an interpreter for the press conference. Does this mean he can't speak a word of the queen's?

Apparently Hiddink would of been interested in the City job had they been prepared to wait. He would surely of been a more inspiring choice?

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Listening to Cook talk it still stinks that they had all these discussions behind Hughes back. If your removing him at least have the decency to tell him he's going.

It's pretty clear he knows his behaviour was wrong as he won't answer any questions on the matter.

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Someone's been having fun on Cook's Wikipedia

Quote: During his time with the sportswear giants Cook became one of the most successful and respected men in the business, in his own opinion, which is one not worth listening to. ""During his time with the sportswear giants Cook became one of the most successful and respected men in the business, in his own opinion, which is one not worth listening to."'"


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Personally I think Hiddink's a non-starter for Citeh. Abramovich pays Hiddink's wages as Russia boss. The only reason Chelsea didn't appoint him as permanant boss was because of Russia's World Cup campaign (and the obvious political problems if Chelsea nicked the Rusian coach).

Hiddink was practically perfect as Chelsea boss last season. There are rumours that he's being brought back to Chelsea as a DoF.

I don't think Chelsea would sit back while Hiddink took the Citeh job. And I don't know why Hiddink would go to Citeh when there'll be many better offers.

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Personally I think Hiddink's a non-starter for Citeh. Abramovich pays Hiddink's wages as Russia boss. The only reason Chelsea didn't appoint him as permanant boss was because of Russia's World Cup campaign (and the obvious political problems if Chelsea nicked the Rusian coach).

Hiddink was practically perfect as Chelsea boss last season. There are rumours that he's being brought back to Chelsea as a DoF.

I don't think Chelsea would sit back while Hiddink took the Citeh job. And I don't know why Hiddink would go to Citeh when there'll be many better offers.'"


Hiddink is something of a footballing mercenary in my eyes. A very good manager as well but he will go where the money is and the money is at Citeh. Whether Chelsea would of put in an offer as well would of remained to be seen.

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Cook really is not coming out of this well at all.

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Quote: El Pac Carnegie "Listening to Cook talk it still stinks that they had all these discussions behind Hughes back. If your removing him at least have the decency to tell him he's going.

It's pretty clear he knows his behaviour was wrong as he won't answer any questions on the matter.'"


Citeh bringing in Mancini to watch the game on Saturday was completely and utterly disgusting. It was stupid from both Citeh's and Mancini's point of view. I can't believe they did it.

But negotiating with other coaches is just living in the real world. They didn't think Hughes was up to the standards they are setting, but until they found someone new they kept Hughes in the job. They were just doing what every club does.

Do you want them to tell Wayne Bridge that they don't think he's good enough and he's only there until they find a better left back? Of course not, they'll tell Bridge he's wonderful right until they sign his replacement. It's no different with Hughes.

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Citeh bringing in Mancini to watch the game on Saturday was completely and utterly disgusting. It was stupid from both Citeh's and Mancini's point of view. I can't believe they did it.

But negotiating with other coaches is just living in the real world. They didn't think Hughes was up to the standards they are setting, but until they found someone new they kept Hughes in the job. They were just doing what every club does.

Do you want them to tell Wayne Bridge that they don't think he's good enough and he's only there until they find a better left back? Of course not, they'll tell Bridge he's wonderful right until they sign his replacement. It's no different with Hughes.'"


Mancini wasn't in the crowd according to Cook but i'm struggling to believe anything he is saying due to how incredibly uncomfortable he looks when any question is asked.

Negotiating is one thing, agreeing the deal without informing the guy he's getting sacked until the day of a game is very poor form in my eyes. If you are replacing him let him know midweek so that he can leave with some pride.

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Quote: El Pac Carnegie "Cook really is not coming out of this well at all.'"


A press conference master class.

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The worst aspect of the sacking was the way it was leaked to the press on Friday. Not surprisingly that wasnt raised in the press conference.

I though Mancini dealt with a difficult press conference rather well. He may not know who owns the club but seemed fairly clued up about Rory Delap. Although I think he gave the game away about his contract having a 6 month get out clause

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Just had a read of Fergie's first 6 seasons at OT interesting stuff

That infamous banner in 1989 "Three years of excuses and it's still crap. Ta ra Fergie"

I will admit part of me was like Rob and wanted Rafa to walk as I feel maybes he's lost the players (Main ones from Huyton and Bootle)

Problem for Rafa unlike Fergie is in his first 3 season he set the bar so high.

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