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Quote: gutterfax "Why watch a sport you don't like and don't understand? Are the population of the uk stupid because they tune in in larger numbers for wales v south Africa than for a rlwc semi between England and NZ? Are the bbc wrong to pay 40,000,000 for 70,000,000 eyeballs?
Union is not as good as league in our eyes, but to question its fans or finances smacks of insecurity.'"

Well a) it's none of your ing business, b) who says I dislike it? c) i understand the sport as equally if not better than than you do.

I catch up as I'm curious as to how the national team are doing. I get frustrated that nothing much has changed re the scrums since I stopped playing, I first played at the age of 12 (we had to play union as well as league back in those days) I know the rules very well & I was a flanker cum inside centre when I was asked to play the odd game in the off season in my older years..

Now, I'll ask you again, why again do you feel the need to comment on what another poster writes if you don't understand what they have said and try to second guess what that poster likes/dislikes? Is it a cry for help, are you feeling suicidal that you need to come up with a response to everything you hate or can't understand??
I suggest you get professional help as you sound like you're on the edge of a breakdown

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I suggest you get professional help as you sound like you're on the edge of a breakdown'"

Not satisfied with your claim to know more about Rugby Union than me, you're now on a freudian trip too?

Let's look at your post again shall we?

Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I'm so glad the BBC are paying £40M a year for this poop, I tried watching it, found the rewind button and just fast forwarded the dull bits. I counted one scrum at 105 seconds between the ball going dead to ball coming out..they seriously need to sort that out at international level.
Everyone saying Wales should win given England's loss of players but the way Lancaster uses his tactics he can stifle a game really easily in the forwards and England have a decent pack especially the back 3.
Was Hartley any good? '"


So....the BBC paying £40M for "this poop" is what you open with. I have explained that "this poop" attracts 70,000,000 viewers in the UK alone. It is steeped in history with the only changes to the comp being the addition of France and then Italy from the original home nations comp and it induces jingoistic rivalries with some nations considering victory over England more important than winning the whole comp.

Then you continue that you "tried watching it" and that you "fast forwarded" through it, only to stop and actually time a scrum? d040.gif

I doubt there is a commentator or supporter of Union who doesn't agree with you about the scrum. I too have played Union and not just at schoolboy level either. I do not pretend to know the "dark arts" of the front row union boys, but I suspect that this issue will continue and scrums will continue to be a mess until they "emasculate" them as they have already done in League.

Then you comment on Lancasters habit of reverting to 10 man rugby. I agree, he does seem to struggle past 10 and he plays to his forward strengths and as a result, the game is often a turgid turd of a thing......but if come November this year he's managed to get his team to the RWC Final, nobody will really give a toss. Would you give a flying one if England RL played boring one up footie but actually won something?

Lastly, Dylan Hartley plays Hooker in Union which means he's not there to play footie, but to ad weight to the pack in the loose whilst also being able to throw to his jumpers and hook the ball if required. If you're asking "was he any good" in relation to his match v Wales...he gave away a penalty in the 47th minute and was subbed 9 minutes later...if you were asking because you wanted to know did he bite, punch or gouge anyones eye, the answer is no, he behaved himself. He is a 60+ test veteran player, so whilst I don't watch much union I'd say he's a pretty effective unit given Lancasters preoccupation with his numbers 1 to 8.

So, there you have it my amateur psychiatrist......a response to your original post. The BBC pay what they believe it's worth, the scrums are a fiasco and Hartley played 56 minutes in his 61st test!

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Quote: duke street 10 "I think it down to this. R.U is poorer on the pitch but is packaged as an event....a part of a full day of socialising.

R.L is a better specticle on the pitch but isn't marketed very well and desperately needs international success to broaden its appeal.

There i have had my two bob's worth....carry on!'"


I agree to some extent in what you say but if you watch the game it spoils a good day out on the lash.

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Sat here laughing at all the 6N teams effectively playing RL today, no doubt these games will be deemed the greatest entertainment in world sport or something icon_lol.gif

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It's been a farce.

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Quote: 100% Wire "Sat here laughing at all the 6N teams effectively playing RL today, no doubt these games will be deemed the greatest entertainment in world sport or something
Imitation is the best form of flattery! Got to give them credit where it's due though the atmosphere has been superb, I dream of the day England RL can sell out 80k venues.

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Quote: 100% Wire "Sat here laughing at all the 6N teams effectively playing RL today, no doubt these games will be deemed the greatest entertainment in world sport or something
The scorelines was like something out of the super 14's (or whatever they call it) in the southern hemisphere. Guarantee it will be back to a penalty kicking comp next year!

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Quote: duke street 10 "The scorelines was like something out of the super 14's (or whatever they call it) in the southern hemisphere. Guarantee it will be back to a penalty kicking comp next year!'"



It will be, and beyond the group stages of the World Cup it will be too. Only reason yesterday happened was because 3 teams needed to go for it, really go for it. In an ordinary situation there's no chance England would be playing ball like that against France, or even Wales & Ireland either. It was entertainment, but it was an exception rather than the rule.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "It's been a farce.'"

Well, that's the British for you. They love a good farce!
rlhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/32019463rl
Maybe such figures go some way to explaining why Union gets so much more exposure on the Beeb...who can tell?

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Quote: gutterfax "Why watch a sport you don't like and don't understand? Are the population of the uk stupid because they tune in in larger numbers for wales v south Africa than for a rlwc semi between England and NZ? Are the bbc wrong to pay 40,000,000 for 70,000,000 eyeballs?
Union is not as good as league in our eyes, but to question its fans or finances smacks of insecurity.'"

You have an attitude (typical of someone from Halifax) that has held the superior form of rugby from even coming close to the inferior code in mass market appeal.
Even though you enjoy the superior game, you and people like you are condemned to watch it in half empty stadiums.
Don't blame others, look at your own backward thinking views on the sport.

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[b:3lwchg41][size=100:3lwchg41]February 9th 2008. Harlequins Rugby League v Wigan Warriors; Attendance [color=#FF0000:3lwchg41]8,041[/color:3lwchg41] Entire 2015 Season over 11 games: Total Attendance[color=#FF0000:3lwchg41] 8,050[/color:3lwchg41]. PROGRESS[/size:3lwchg41][/b:3lwchg41]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_73709.png



Quote: Lovesauce "You have an attitude (typical of someone from Halifax) that has held the superior form of rugby from even coming close to the inferior code in mass market appeal.
Even though you enjoy the superior game, you and people like you are condemned to watch it in half empty stadiums.
Don't blame others, look at your own backward thinking views on the sport.'"

Oh dear.
I'm not from Halifax, I blame nobody other than the administrators of RL for the lack of exposure, reach and interest in Rugby League and I would consider myself one the most forward thinking Rugby League fans that I know of.

Rugby Union or Rugby as they like to call it now is a god awful spectacle at times, but the S15 comp this year has average 5 tries a game, the Aviva Premiership saw attendances increase, the New European Cup saw increased attendances, they are negotiating bigger TV deals and the 6 Nations delivered record viewing figures and if that's not enough, their World Cup will be the biggest attended one so far.

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On the subject of the Union World Cup good to see the brave English lads leave fortress Twickers for one game...playing the Dentists,Lawyers & Doctors of Uruguay in Manchester!

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Quote: duke street 10 "On the subject of the Union World Cup good to see the brave English lads leave fortress Twickers for one game...playing the Dentists,Lawyers & Doctors of Uruguay in Manchester!'"

Indeed.....and on Grand Final Day too. I suspect a bumper weekend for the hoteliers and publicans of Manchester, given that the Etihad Stadium was apparently sold out back in October 2014 and that Old Trafford will be close to rammed.
I wonder what the Police will be charging each event, as it is very unusual for both stadiums to be in use on the same day and the centre of town will be packed both before and after the games.

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Interesting article in this weeks email from Running Rugby
rlhttps://www.runningrugby.com/marketing-and-sponsorship/land-rover-looking-for-return-on-eight-figure-rwc-investment/rl

Quote: tens "Land Rover signed up to sponsor the 2015 Rugby World Cup before the last tournament in New Zealand four years ago had even begun but the focus has been on the big kick-off on September 18 ever since and the brand is determined to see a return on its eight-figure investment.

Global experience director Mark Cameron confirmed to Running Rugby that tens of millions of pounds have been spent on sponsoring the Rugby World Cup and that it is “the biggest sponsorship that Land Rover has ever undertaken”, so no stone has been left unturned in the quest to ensure it pays off.
'"
The use of the word "tens" points to this being a minimum of 20,000,000.....that's scary money from just once sponsor. How many discovery's will they need to shift to get a ROI?

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I have to confess I watched the last 20 minutes or so of South Africa v Japan expecting the usual bore-fest. Was actually very entertaining (or at least Japan were). They decline two penalty shots at goal in the last 2 minutes to potentially earn a draw (one 10 seconds from the end of normal time) but chose to try to win it. They scored a try a couple of minutes later. I admit to jumping out of my seat. Never thought I'd do that watching RU. Wonders never cease.

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Hull KR
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Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
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v
Warrington
17:30
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Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
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Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
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Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
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Huddersfield
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Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
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Leeds
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Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
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Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
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14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
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20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
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17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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Wigan-Huddersfield
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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