Arguably the most under-rated player of the last 10 years??

While everybody cites Moyes' acheievement of 10 years of over-acheiving at Goodison, its no coincidence that Osman has been at the heart of those 10 years of football.

I've heard him amusingly described as the English 'Iniesta' (mostly by tongue-in-cheek Everton fans), but there is a similarity in that both are very under-stated and simple in their work, which often leads to both being ignored in comparison to more flamboyant team mates....I must state though that I accept the Spaniard would be my first choice though if given one...

I don't particularly. I just find it funny that United players seem to be immune to criticism. Welbeck, only scored 9 goals in 33 games this season for a team who finished joint top yet he's a cert to go apparently. At least Crouch scored a worldy.

I really don't rate Welbeck, btw.

i think it United players 'immunity' from criticism over the years that has resulted in a lot of them being completely cba about england

#hangingeffigy #booed@wembley

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People who say things like 'Barry is awful' are annoy me somewhat.

I'd sooner read stuff like that, rather than people saying "if England just do this then they'll win this, that and the other". Barry is a solid if unspectacular player. He doesn't really do anything great and he's limited athletically. England have so many flaws that it's pointless pointing out just one, they aren't a good team and the players are average individually if you look at them truthfully.

Henderson in the England squad? It's so unsulting to the other midfielders they ignore because they don't play for the glamour clubs. Try explaining to the likes of Allen, Britton and Osman as mentioned what they've failed to do that Henderson did. He was absolutely anonymous for Liverpool this season. I'm not saying he was terrible, he just didn't do anything of note despite playing pretty much the whole season. He's not an international player and whilst those others mentioned probably wouldn't normally be either, they are better than Henderson and played better throughout the season.

I would pay a few grand to have a good, candid conversation with Hodgson about why he's picked the likes of Downing, Henderson, Carroll and Wellbeck. Do performances throughout the season not count for anything?

In a nutshell.

£38m for Hulk to Chelsea!

Another class signing. Makes you wonder where they'll fit them all in. Torres, Hazard, Mata and Hulk in one team may work if they sign some quality midfielders.

Love it when you post.

Welbeck 9 in 23 starts
Racist 11 in 29 starts.
Carol 7 all season.

Welbeck has also scored more than any other striker in the squad apart from Rooney. Questioning the goal return of a 21 year old striker who has alot to learn after only two seasons, when your own team has two strikers who cost a combined £58 million who are biz, is awesome. As for people not wanting to play for their country?

Jamie Carragher anyone?

Priceless.

I don't rate Henderson that highly, but some of the flack he's been getting is pretty harsh. His game is still growing but the lad has potential, he's got a bit of everything and he's more gifted athletically than a lot of the recent midfielders we've produced (Carrick, Lampard, Barry etc.). Some others might have deserved a place more (can't comment on Britton and isn't Allen Welsh?), but Osman is an average player at best. I'd rather see England take a young player like Henderson, give him the experience and hope it helps him by the next world cup, than take a plodder like Osman who won't play and won't play at the next world cup.

Henderson has potential to be a pretty decent player one day, he has attributes but he's still limited and hasn't quite found his role. I'd much rather see the national side give younger players a chance than waste their time with dross.