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| I enjoyed the opening ceremony,it was better than i thought it would be...i do think Sir Macca should call it a day though he was cringworthy last night imo.
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| Can anyone explain to me what's going on in this cycling road race? Britain have been miles back throughout, yet the commentators just go on and on about them being totally in control. They are a minute behind with 20 miles to go. Surely they could quite easily lose and probably will now?
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| Seems I was right and the commentators don't know what they are talking about. For five hours of that they were going on and on about how perfect the GB team tactics were. I'd question that, staying at least a minute behind throughout is never going to work. Every time anyone attacked the commentators mercilessly mocked them, saying GB would mop them up, but they've mopped no one up.
Rather pathetic from everyone involved in the GB team really. What was all the hype about? What's all this about team tactics? They are now saying it's because they only had 5 riders, yet the Kazakhstan winner didn't have a team holding his hand. One wonders about the money spent inflating these egos. Oops.
The coverage was utterly terrible from the BBC. Why they are given big sporting events is beyond me. Ridiculously poor coverage, no stats, no tables of gaps etc.
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| Quote: Saddened! "The coverage was utterly terrible from the BBC.'"
Coverage was terrible, but not by the BBC. Olympic Broadcasting Services provide the pictures.
GB were basically hung out to dry by everybody else. With riders up the road in the shape of Philippe Gilbert and Stuart O'Grady, Belgium and Australia weren't ever going to contribute to the chase. Why Germany held back is more of a mystery. Their best chance, like GB, was in a bunch sprint, but they contributed sod all to the catch and GB can rightly be narked about that. Over Box Hill, GB were totally in control, but when it came to catching a 32-man break they needed more legs from somewhere and didn't get them.
Chapeau to Ian Stannard though. He totally buried himself on the front of that peloton. Weepy scenes when Fabien Cancellara finally rolled in as well, after 15km riding with a broken collarbone.
Better luck in the pointy hats on Wednesday where tactics don't really come into it - just man versus clock.
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| Quote: Saddened! "
Rather pathetic from everyone involved in the GB team really. What was all the hype about? What's all this about team tactics? They are now saying it's because they only had 5 riders, yet the Kazakhstan winner didn't have a team holding his hand. One wonders about the money spent inflating these egos. Oops.
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GBs tactics were pretty much right, they just lacked the help they needed to kill the break away. 50 seconds is hardly anything in cycling afterall and can be closed down in a matter of kms normally, just not with only 4 people doing all the riding. The Germans tactics were truely shocking, they needed a sprint as much as GB yet refused to help till it was too late.
Also they are hardly over inflated egos, Wiggins won the Tour De France and Cavendish is the most successful sprinter in its history. They are pretty much the best sports people we have at the moment and some of the best of all time.
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| onewild is correct - gb are so feared in cycling at the moment that other countries are happy not to contribute to setting up a bunch sprint - even if they know they won't win a medal - strange olympic ideal.
canellara might be out of the TT on weds, wiggins even more of a chance. and there are no tactics in this one, possibly only tony martin to stand in his way
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| Dont follow Cycling but if the GB guys are so good and feared why do they need 'help' from other countries ??
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| Quote: GIANT DAZ "Dont follow Cycling but if the GB guys are so good and feared why do they need 'help' from other countries ??'"
Because to chase down a breakaway, it takes a huge amount of effort. The person at the front of the group sets the pace, while the others behind them get a rest (believe it is something like 30% by been in the slipsteam) if there are only 4 guys setting that pace, then it is next to impossible for them to keep up a high enough pace to bridge a gap. Now in pro teams, you have 9 cyclists, in the worlds they have 8, so it is possible for a team to do all the work themselves.
However at the Olympics it is only 5. Since our best shot was Cav, they had to ride for that. If the teams were abit bigger than maybe they could have sent Millar down the road or something to mark the breakaway.
Basically the other teams were so scared of allowing Cav to get a shot, they messed it up for themselves espeically the Germans.
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| Quote: the artist "onewild is correct - gb are so feared in cycling at the moment that other countries are happy not to contribute to setting up a bunch sprint - even if they know they won't win a medal - strange olympic ideal.
canellara might be out of the TT on weds, wiggins even more of a chance. and there are no tactics in this one, possibly only tony martin to stand in his way'"
I really don't understand what the Germans were thinking, André Greipel is a great sprinter and he has managed to beat Cavendish in the Tour this year. Who knows what would have happened after Cav had gone over Box Hill 9 times. Also the organisers shouldn't have used fair play in the course design, why wasn't it just flat? stupid unselfish ideals.
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| So why didnt our guys just pedal faster to start with and get everyone to chase us instead of us trying to chase them if there werent enough of us to do it ?
i thought it was just a case of the bloke who rides fastest wins the race.....obviously am way out here ...also why would we expect another team to help us out to win a medal, surely you're racing against the other teams and shouldnt expect help from them ?
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| the teams that should have helped also had sprinters in their midst who would have challenged for the medals, mainly germany and australia. by not doing so they ruled their men out of medal contention as well as GBs
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| Quote: GIANT DAZ "So why didnt our guys just pedal faster to start with and get everyone to chase us instead of us trying to chase them if there werent enough of us to do it ?
i thought it was just a case of the bloke who rides fastest wins the race.....obviously am way out here ...also why would we expect another team to help us out to win a medal, surely you're racing against the other teams and shouldnt expect help from them ?'"
Mate, i used to think exactly the same until i started working with some serious bike enthusiasts, basically the guy at the front works 34% harder than anyone else, so to be at the front means doing the most work, the guys work in teams to keep the energy reserves up, basically taking it in turns to lead, usually the lead cyclists gives a little throw of the elbow and that's the signal to say "im knackered can someone else have a go". Being in the pelaton puts you in a stronger position as a 1 minute lead is nothing if you have a few km's left.
The trouble is if you let too many riders brake away, and they work together, you have no chance of catching them.
If the Germans had helped the British they would have caught the lead pack easily, the Germans also knew though that if they did that they'd still lose to Cavendish, so they selfishly came to the thought, sod it. What makes it worse is that 'i think' the Germans and Brits had worked out before the race joint tactics to beat the Spanish riders.
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| Surely they should have changed tactics then fairly quickly when it became apparent that nobody would help them? Which was fairly early on because they were always at the front of the peleton. It was pretty tactically naive if they didn't consider the fact that due to how good they are that others would be reluctant to have to run in with Cavendish.
If you need a team to win it, how was the Khazak guy able to do it?
As not a big cycling fan it was strange to hear the commentary professing how brilliant GB were doing when then never seemed to be able to significantly reduce the gap.
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| Quote: ST_CONROY "Surely they should have changed tactics then fairly quickly when it became apparent that nobody would help them? Which was fairly early on because they were always at the front of the peleton. It was pretty tactically naive if they didn't consider the fact that due to how good they are that others would be reluctant to have to run in with Cavendish.
If you need a team to win it, how was the Khazak guy able to do it?
As not a big cycling fan it was strange to hear the commentary professing how brilliant GB were doing when then never seemed to be able to significantly reduce the gap.'"
The Khazak guy was part of a "team" just not a national one. The breakaway riders worked together as a "team" far better than the peleton.
It wasnt that obvious early on that the tactics weren't working. At one stage the lead was over 6 mins. That was reduced inititally to 3 mins. They then reduced it from 3mins to 1min fairly quickly. Clearly the commentators didnt appreciate just how much that had taken out of GB or just how little help they were going to get.
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| Boardman made a very pertinent point from old school cycling tactics. If there's more riders in the lead group than chasers in the peleton, then the catch is very unlikely.
Froome was a bit disappointing, Stannard put in a great shift.
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