Roddy, if I searched 100 years up and down the land and talked to every football fan in the areas I searched I'd be hard pressed to find 1 as clueless biased and plain thick as you. Well done !!!

Yes, Stoke have found an effective way of gaining enough points to maintain their Premier League status, but has any side in the last 20 years ever found a more ugly way of doing it?

People on here may wish to defend them, that's fair enough, but would you seriously pay to watch it??

The fact that 4 years in, they still do that tedious long throw nonsense, tells you all you need to know about the coaching and tactical brain of Tony Pulis.

And yet he's taken another point from Liverpool today.

ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com ... rezgif.gif That's why you don't get many pens, Luis.

ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com ... rezgif.gif That's why you don't get many pens, Luis.

Don't disagree that its effective, I said that in my post, but is it watchable??

Personally, I'd shut my curtains on it if they were playing in my back garden.

Ridiculous!

Tom Cleverly is that crap he made a cross look like a worldy. Good win but don't know why Fergie persists with Cleverly.

Ah, forgot sport was all about how attractive you play. I thought it was about results..... Sorry

Quote: Anozira "Tom Cleverly is that crap he made a cross look like a worldy. Good win but don't know why Fergie persists with Cleverly.'" nah, terrible - I feel really sorry for him ! sgforums.com/forums/2424/topics/435862

Quote: Anozira "Tom Cleverly is that crap he made a cross look like a worldy. Good win but don't know why Fergie persists with Cleverly.'" nah, terrible - I feel really sorry for him ! sgforums.com/forums/2424/topics/435862

LFC fans picketing Morrisons stores because they had a £10 off voucher in The Sun....

Are you actually reading my posts properly??....

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of their tactics, I'm simply asking, would anybody, but the most ardent Stoke fan, seriously want to pay good money to watch Stoke?

Rubbish. If you're not good enough to beat teams like that, you have no room to moan about them. What Stoke 'do' now is hilariously mild compared with what was allowed in the rules 30 years ago. Cynically defensive minded, difficult to watch, but it's effective. With some of the players they've had, staying in the Premier League has always been the objective, and they've done it.

On scum and what's wrong with football, how about your racist, gravity challenged centre forward? What did you make of his display today?

I think he should be banned for that dive today personally. His manager has been out in the press all week denying he's a diver then he goes and does that? As Pulis said in his interview, Suarez is an embarrassment to the Premier League and something needs to be done about him.

I'm hearing lots about Suarez' dive and seeing posts on here about it, even a video of it, which is fair enough, funny though how nobody has mentioned Bale's blatant dive as well from earlier. Weird that.