I was there also in '80 for the Liverpool v Arsenal semi and it was the same then. I saw hardly any of the match and coming out of the ground I went yards without my feet touching the floor. Nothing had changed in the 9 years leading upto the tragedy.

Again, we were given the smaller capacity Leppings Lane end due to the location of the Kop End easier to manage the Arsenal Fans coming from the M1.

Two unforgivable flaws:

Giving Liverpool the smaller Leppings Lane end
Not closing the gates to the centre pens/ filtering them.

Probably easier said than done but being born in 1990 that is what i have thought from what i have seen and been told about.

Nothing wrong with researching it Ande as you clearly have.

My cousin was at Hillsborough - thankfully he was one of the lucky ones who got out alive and I've never spoke to anyone in my family about it - bar my mum who told me he was there.

I've listened to several interviews on the subject today - most recently those of the mother of Victoria and Sarah Hicks (previously mentioned in this topic) and as a grown man her interview had me in tears - I can't believe someone could go 8 hours not knowing if her teenage daughters were safe or not

From what I saw, I thought LFC TV's coverage of Hillsbrough was excellent yesterday. United used MUTV in a similar fashion on the 50th anniversary of Munich and shows that, on occasion, these in house TV channels can actually be useful. LFC's coverage was handled with class and dignity. The best piece I've read on Hillsbrough this week is here:- www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 083158.ece Thousands of people in a football stadium observing a 2 minute silence, or banners at a football match, don't really bring home the gravity of the situation to the same effect as eye witness accounts do, such as the one in this article. Harrowing. After 20 years, failed prosections, compensation and 'apologies' I'm not even sure what justice would look like any more or how you start getting it. A public enquiry would be a start. Whatever justice does look like, I hope they get it - it ought not to be beyond the wit of man.

From what I saw, I thought LFC TV's coverage of Hillsbrough was excellent yesterday. United used MUTV in a similar fashion on the 50th anniversary of Munich and shows that, on occasion, these in house TV channels can actually be useful. LFC's coverage was handled with class and dignity. The best piece I've read on Hillsbrough this week is here:- www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 083158.ece Thousands of people in a football stadium observing a 2 minute silence, or banners at a football match, don't really bring home the gravity of the situation to the same effect as eye witness accounts do, such as the one in this article. Harrowing. After 20 years, failed prosections, compensation and 'apologies' I'm not even sure what justice would look like any more or how you start getting it. A public enquiry would be a start. Whatever justice does look like, I hope they get it - it ought not to be beyond the wit of man.

You have a point but people who went to football regularly pre-Hillsborough will in all likelihood have different views than those who have been bought up post Euro 96 in the main in modern safe stadiums.

If such a tragedy happened today the world would be in shock......however horrific it was at the time it was no real surprise and could well have happened at Anfield, Villa Park, Old Trafford or anywhere really as getting into any ground at 2.50 for a big game resembled a rugby scrum of gigantic proportions and the potential for such poor decisions by the Police were there week in week out.

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One body, whom from what I have read has escaped any criticism is the FA. How can a stadium, which seemingly was in no fit state to host a game where both sets of supporters didn't really know their way around the ground, not be deemed negligent?

In fact, I don't recall any particular statements either way from the FA.

Because all 92 grounds were unfit to hold such an event the "away" ends at Villa Park, Goodison, Old Trafford etc were as inadequate as Leppings Lane and thats why grounds were transformed so dramatically after the Taylor Report.

That makes them even more culpable.

I have been caught up[ in a crush, at Old Trafford (before all seater), in one of the away fans end pens. It was the most frightening experience I have had at any sports ground.

What many younger posters might not appreciate is that the terraced areas in football grounds in the 80's were not the single terraced areas that can be seen at places like warrington nowadays.

A terrace running the width of a pitch could be sepoarated into 5 or 6 pens, by the use of 6foot high railings. Once a pen was full, they would use the next ones and so on. There seemed to be no guidelines on capacity for each pen and once you were in, you stayed until full time.

You were always shoulder to shoulder and as a small bloke, there were occasions that I was suspended in mid air by the throng of people.

For me this experience was before Hillsborough, but I never went to an away football game again after my experience that evening.

I feel for those whose lives have been affected forever by those fateful 20 minutes in Sheffield and the tributes on the TV have been incredibly moving.

RIP and Justice for the 96

I doubt it, the design of the turnstyle location, ie a dead end left nobody down there anywhere to go. I don't remember many more, possibly the Baseball Ground where once you were there then you had no escape. The likes of Anfield, Old Trafford or Villa Park gave you the opportunity to disperse sideways outside the turnstyles, Hillsborough didn't offer this which was a major obstacle seeing as every one of the 24,000 Liverpool fans had to use those turnstyles to get into the ground. Yes, that's about 23 turnstyles, in a bottleneck of about 80 yards across to accomodate the entry to 2 stands.

Docu on History channel now.

The trouble is you cant start any judicial process with the aim of achieving a particular outcome. And 20 years on the chances of proving that a particular individual(s) was sufficiently culpable to merit the sort of punishment that would placate the capaigners is remote.

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