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| Quote Thoth="Thoth"How is he not English?'"
He's South African.
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"He's South African.'"
That's not a barrier to being English, just ask Kevin Pietersen, Johnathan Trott, Andrew Strauss, Tony Greig, Alan Lamb, Robin Smith, Matt Prior, Craig Kieswetter, Jade Dernbach and Hendrie Fourie. 
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"That's not a barrier to being English, just ask Kevin Pietersen, Johnathan Trott, Andrew Strauss, Tony Greig, Alan Lamb, Robin Smith, Matt Prior, Craig Kieswetter, Jade Dernbach and Hendrie Fourie.
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As we've talked about before 
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No he has dual nationality (like millions of other people), holds a British passport (through parentage not residency) his father and grandfather are English. Received large part of his education in England, been in the UK since he was a teenager and played all his pro rugby in England. Using the same logic Shane McGowan, Rod Stewart and Iestyn Harris would be English, to a lesser extent Joanna Lumley, Nasser Hussain, Michael Owen, Colin Cowdrey are not English. Nationality is more about about than where you were born.
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| Quote Thoth="Thoth"No he has dual nationality (like millions of other people), holds a British passport (through parentage not residency) his father and grandfather are English. Received large part of his education in England, been in the UK since he was a teenager and played all his pro rugby in England. Using the same logic Shane McGowan, Rod Stewart and Iestyn Harris would be English, to a lesser extent Joanna Lumley, Nasser Hussain, Michael Owen, Colin Cowdrey are not English. Nationality is more about about than where you were born.'"
Ok, he was born in South Africa. He represented South Africa. The majority of his education took place in South Africa. He's got dual nationality.
I as an Englishman am not happy with so many players that I consider to be foreign pulling in the England shirt.
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| I see Wales outscored England 3 tries to 2 in the match today yet still lost
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"Ok, he was born in South Africa. He represented South Africa. The majority of his education took place in South Africa. He's got dual nationality.
I as an Englishman am not happy with so many players that I consider to be foreign [size=150pulling in[/size the England shirt.'"
Lucky bast@rds. 
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| I caught quite a bit of England Wales on Saturday while I was waiting for Wigan Saints
What struck me most about the game was the total lack of invention in the backs and backline moves. Apparently they have been in camp for the past month or so and yet the only back line move they have is to pass the ball across the line until they run out of pitch – and always passing instead of squaring up the line so the defence only had to drift, it was infuriating to watch
Then you compare that to some of the slick movement of Wigan and Saints backline play. Of course the defence lies flatter in Union (at the back foot of the ruck rather than 10 metres) and there are more bodies on the pitch but a decent coach would surely get something out of these players
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| Quote Dunbar="Dunbar"I caught quite a bit of England Wales on Saturday while I was waiting for Wigan Saints
What struck me most about the game was the total lack of invention in the backs and backline moves. Apparently they have been in camp for the past month or so and yet the only back line move they have is to pass the ball across the line until they run out of pitch – and always passing instead of squaring up the line so the defence only had to drift, it was infuriating to watch
Then you compare that to some of the slick movement of Wigan and Saints backline play. Of course the defence lies flatter in Union (at the back foot of the ruck rather than 10 metres) and there are more bodies on the pitch but a decent coach would surely get something out of these players'"
It has just about always been thus with England.
They pass the ball along the line like a hot potato, passing almost as soon as they have received it, laterally until they become embarrassed at the sideline.
Rugby league players don't do that, they hold the and ball run at the opposition, or a gap if it exists' and then pass the ball at the last minute thus taking players out of the game. They risk a clattering in the process, but they know it's the only way they will make progress short of missed tackles or poor marking.
Like you I can't stand to watch England's pathetic attempts at throwing it along the line. New Zealand can do it, they play a form of attack very akin to rugby league.
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| And don't get me started with the feeding at the scrum - one hand into the second row!! Union fans used to have a bit of a moral high ground when talking scrums as League are a bit of a non entity but for all the ridiculous antics of Crouch, Touch, Pause, Engage (and the endless resets), if the scrum half is allowed to feed into the second row they may as well not bother
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| Quote Dunbar="Dunbar"And don't get me started with the feeding at the scrum - one hand into the second row!! Union fans used to have a bit of a moral high ground when talking scrums as League are a bit of a non entity but for all the ridiculous antics of Crouch, Touch, Pause, Engage (and the endless resets), if the scrum half is allowed to feed into the second row they may as well not bother'"  A real bugbear of mine and something we were talking about last week in the pub.
Did anyone see the Scotland v Ireland game? Tepid is extremely generous. I'm getting a very bad feeling about the world cup. The northern hemisphere is light years behind the big three.
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Did anyone see the Scotland v Ireland game? Tepid is extremely generous. I'm getting a very bad feeling about the world cup. The northern hemisphere is light years behind the big three.'"
I saw the second half, painful in the extreme
if it's a warm up why were they kicking goals instead of running the football? so frustrating when in the end they showed that a good passing move can result in a try
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