Yes, unfortunately.

Sadly yes they are

I really don't know what it will take for you lot to see it's not bad luck, you're just genuinely short on quality. My facebook is rife with comments about 'luck' from LFC fans (that and some hoping Halsey gets kidnapped and beheaded by al-qaeda (classy eh LTS? )), You're one of very few level headed Reds i know of, the rest are just... i don't know... idiots.

To answer your last question; yes, do you fancy a bet that we won't?

On the very first viewing Shelvey went in recklessly, went over the ball and ended up clattering into Evans.

Some times you'll be lucky and get a yellow for that, but it is the type of tackles that the authorities are clamping out of the game.

On the replays it's clear that Evans has gone in two footed. That's outlawed too, and worthy of a red. But the commentators didn't pick up on that straight away, I don't think most neutrals would have. I think most people would have only seen the terrible challenge from Shelvey. So I don't think the ref can be blamed too much for not seeing it with his one, real time viewing.

Luiz did a similar challenge to Shelvey yesterday. He was lucky in only getting a yellow. But the Stoke players and manager bitched and moaned and the after match opinion was that Luiz should have been off.

looked a straight red to me and a yellow for Evans

good entertainment at the Etihad with the Gooners playing some nice stuff and getting a well earned point IMO

THFC scraped the victory over a pretty poor QPR side, looks like AVB will still be in employment for at least another couple of weeks unfortunately....

Can you honestly see Levy banging him out of the door with a fair while/whack on his contract?

Be honest, mate, why don't you like him?

I've not seen much of Spurs this year so I'm enthralled as to why you hate a manager who's only been there for a few weeks. It's not like he's Roy Hodgson and it's not like you had Arrigo Sacchi before him, is it?

yes of course !

it's nowt to do with Levy - if Sherwood & Sir Les give the nod to Joe Lewis then he will be sacked - simple as that !

Levy is just the errand boy

Your irrational hatred of Hodgson is the questionable one.

His reasons for disliking AVB are clear and reasonable.

England's brave John Terry retires from international football

Tottenham's biggest problem is that they truly believe they are a big club and have a God given right to be winning trophies, when in fact they should be happy being a consistant top six side.

Now, I'm no fan of 'Arry Redknapp, but he did manage to bring stability to the club, something that Spurs have never ever had in my lifetime....Unfortunately, the know-nothings in charge of the club allowed themselves to get carried away again and fired him.

Obviously, I'm going to say this as an Evertonian, but the trust and faith put in David Moyes is a great example of how a football club should be run - I read Robbie Savage blathering on about how great Moyes would make Everton if had £40-£50 million to spend, yet, like many, fails to see that the reason for Everton's supposed over-acheivement over the years, is simply through continuity.

I firmly believe the worst thing that could happen to Moyes and Everton would be a huge influx of cash as it would disrupt things so much - A regular input of £5-£10 million per year + any cash from sales is all Moyes, or any decent manager actually needs.

Roy was a t*sser, vastly inferior to his predecessor and remains the epitome of English football: mediocre, unimaginative, stale, boring, defeatist and hugely one dimensional.

Think he should have done it after the verdict, or as soon as the charges were announced after he'd been cleared in court.

Glad he's retired from international games. Wish he'd done it earlier.

The FA are clearly contravening their own rules. By the FA's own rules if a case has been tried in a legal court the verdict should be accepted.

Still, the Terry haters will be pleased. They've got part of what they wanted.