Don't forget Irvine Patnick, the Tory MP who, together with the police, fed the story to the [iSun[/i. Later knighted.

If they can strip Fred Godwin of a knighthood, they can do it to this individual.

Today was the first time I've seen that name and my initial reaction was that it has to be a made up name.
So pleased the work of the last 23 years - a frankly ludicrous length of time - has been vindicated and look forward (not the right phrase, but I hope you know what I'm driving at) to the next step towards justice.


Through all this, how has the perception of the football fan really changed? We're still herded, penned, corralled, threatened and basically not trusted to act like adults. You don't even have to be going to a game - I've been baton-charged after going shopping and herded towards a stadium just because I got off a commuter train in a town where a game was happening later. Presumably because I'm a male in my 30s who habitually wears jeans. Even as a member of the press I've had to put up with the same old nonsense I get as a regular fan.
Sure, the stadiums are generally nicer, but we're still treated like an amorphous, untrustworthy mass who are one twitch of an eyebrow away from criminality.

True.

I just can't get my head around of how much went wrong.
Officers in charge outside not knowing about how crowded it was inside when they opened the exit gate, officers inside not knowing there was a real chance of crushing happening outside and what the hell they were to do when those same gates were opened.
Ambulances sat idle outside with vital equipment that could have saved some of the lives lost inside the ground.
The HUGE over allocation of tickets for that end.
The total shortage of turn-styles for a crowd that large directly causing the crush outside.
The fact that the crash barriers where no where near at the height they should have been, that the exit gates pitch side where far smaller than they should have been.
The fact that even with it clear that there was no way that everyone could have been in for 3PM (some would have been at least 40 mins late for the kick off with the lack of turn-styles) they still didn't want to delay kick off despite the evidence in front of their own eyes.

On the word of Kelvin MacKenzie?

Strange day of being proud of the fight that never stopped but also sad and very angry at the loss of lives due to members of SYP and the cover up after, something many of us knew had gone on.

He should be brought in front of the families who lost loved ones and be made to apologise.

for all of that, it is a different game from the 70s and 80s and I can't help but think the reputation of football fans as a whole went before everyone at that game (and every game). I know most match going fans i know of that era think 'there but the grace of god', it could have been any club, it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I was playing cricket on that day, we had two brothers in the team usually but one went to the semi final, we were aware of the events as they started, but didn't know if Chris was ok or not until he got back home in the late evening. he had kept stopping at phone boxes and services all the way back but kept finding huge queues, so he'd set off again.

It was a long wait for his friends and family to know he was ok, that seems an eternity ago, so many people waiting until today to find out the truth about their loved ones. I work in a world where i know how the media works, but I don't know how McKenzie will dare show his face in public.

Oh and the article from the same fanzine back in 1989. laying it all out back then www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1152-sep ... -editorial

Oh and the article from the same fanzine back in 1989. laying it all out back then www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1152-sep ... -editorial

On the basis of what the files released yesterday revealed.

Even more ironic how much of a classless (unt you now look.

Pleased for the families on yesterdays findings. Also pleasing for people not fully aware of the reasons why the families of the 96 wouldn't let it lie. As Trevor Hicks said yesterday, it's not about compensation, self pity or anything else, it was about justice for the 96. Imagine having to decide which dying daughter to stay with on the pitch that day? Not ashamed to admit I cried like a baby watching the documentary on ITV the other day on hearing that sad story again.

41 ambulances couldn't gain access to the ground. 41 people COULD have been saved that day. Horrific.

I remember putting the petition on here a few months back and people signing it. Good on you, it's a good feeling to have been 0.000000000000000001% of the reason that this reached parliament. Doesn't matter how small a contribution people made by signing their name to the petition. They signed it and we can now move forward and bring the people responsible to justice.

Got a link to any of these files?

What's YOUR basis for believing he should be stripped of the Knighthood?

Does anyone really believe that all of these people apologising, Irvine Patrick, Kelvin McKenzie et al are really sorry? I don't believe for one second that they are, they are only sorry for getting caught.

I'm pleased the truth is out, now I hope that the families get the justice they deserve.

I don't even believe they know why they're apologising.

Now that's all calmed down a little and before the games get underway this weekend and we all start bleating about a f---ing handshake (or not, as the case may be).....

Anyone else for an RLFans Champions League? Got a league set up on uefa.com. Use the code 946994-426729

Assuming you're from Warrington, I'm embarrassed to be from the same place as you or at least support the same rugby team. Thankfully that's probably all we've got in common.

The majority of this was what most of us already knew, but there were also some startling revelations about the extent of the cover-up, and especially the amount of victims that could potentially have been saved. Let's hope justice can now follow the truth, and that those responsible are held accountable for this terrible tragedy.