The post morterm on Liverpool is easy. Man for man they are no better than the likes of Sunderland, Aston Villa and Fulham. Liverpool fans, you may say this is wrong, but its not.

Its just their fans think they have a devine right to be there and thereabouts whilst the truth is, whilst other clubs have, over the years, been shrewd with their signings and investments, Liverpools have been nothing short of abysmal which is why they are a mid table team with a bleak future. Even their one saving grace, Gerrard, who has been able to mask over the teams short commings is looking like a player who is ready for the knackers yard.

Pretty funny open letter to Liverpool fans today from the owners, explaining that they would never risk the future of the club with risky spending. A pretty ridiculous statement to make given their recent signings, very few of which are looking like good buys at present.

Can't disagree with this, and I've worshipped Gerrard for years. If he continues to give possession away so cheaply (and they're costly mistakes) when the rest of midfield are trying to retain the ball then I can see Rodgers running out of patience very quickly.

I’d like to say we played well but we really didn’t. We moved the ball around averagely without ever looking like getting behind their defence. Allen hardly gives the ball away but doesn’t look dangerous. Sahin did very little, but then again you've got to give him time. Gerrard & Suarez really need to pull their fingers out. If they don’t perform, we don’t win, it’s as simple as that. Suarez did very little (but should have had a penalty) and Gerrard, on the evidence so far, does not fit into Rodgers’ style of play – constantly going for the Hollywood ball instead of keeping things simple, giving the ball away which is leading to the other team scoring (Arsenal’s first was a carbon copy of the Agger red vs. West Brom). Sterling once again, was the only one who ever looked like causing Arsenal problems. If Liverpool & Sterling continue their respective form, he’ll be moving on in the summer.

Arsenal basically schooled us, because we’re trying to play them at their own game. Destroyed us on the counter attack. Diaby bossed the midfield. Carzola looks decent. Defensively they were pretty solid.

I'd like to think it's just a difficult start coupled with the players settling into a new system, but unfortunately things don't get any easier with Sunderland and Man Utd coming up. We’re already in a position where we need to be beating the likes of QPR & Norwich to give ourselves a lift. If we start dropping points against these like we did last year then we’re in big trouble! Still, we’re paying for years of mis-management and Kenny flushing £100m down the toilet. No choice now but to stick by Rodgers, ride it out and hope we improve as the season goes on.

I don't think Gerard has the legs to play in a three man midfield anymore. Didn't help that he was playing against a midfield that can move the ball so quickly and fluidly. The return of Lucas/four in midfield will help him no end.

PS

Just seen what Rody said about a Totti-type role for him. Would seem to be the perfect answer, and would certainly help out Liverpool's attack which seems a little blunt at the moment.

We've had our best transfer window for a while.Who isn't looking like a good but at the minute? We've sold all of our deadwood, except Joe Cole and brought in some very good players. The only mistake I think we've made is sending Carroll out on loan without a replacement.

Only a couple of weeks ago Liverpool outplayed City, being unlucky to only get a draw. Now they're doomed? Give over. I get the impression they may have stiffed on the transfer dealings by not being able to pick up a striker but I'm not sure how responsible Rodgers is for that. He's had a few weeks to sift through players and marry them with his spending budget. It says a lot that he was after Sturridge because he was merely a stop gap measure until he could properly ascertain what it is that he needs.

Liverpool aren't doomed.

But, as Robbie has said on numerous times on here, they need to play the transfer game at a fantastic level if they are going to make up for the lack of money that their rivals have.

And they've just stood on the ball and ended up flat on their face.

Drawing at home to Citeh, while deserving a win, is pretty good. Losing at home to Arsenal isn't too bad. But those games came after a 3-0 opening day drubbing at West Brom.

As someone with zero liking of Liverpool, this season has started beautifully. It's been great.

Agreed last week we outplayed the champions. Yaya Toure said it was the toughest game he's played in over here and a ween later we're shiiite. Jesus wept.

Even during that they were arguably the better side until conceding the second goal, against the run of play.

Better side and lost 3-0. Deserved to win, get a draw. Well beaten and lose 2-0 at home.

Last season they were supposedly playing good football but just unlucky. Hit the woodwork more than anyone else, or something like that.

These aren't good things. You want your team to take points when they don't deserve them, not the opposite.

You credit Rodgers with knowing that Sturridge would have only been a stop-gap and assume by next season he'll have a better solution. But Sturridge would have been a great option that could have helped them out massively. And they hit the post with that and ended up conceding a breakaway goal.

They aren't doomed. But it's looking very likely that they are looking at an extended period of time as a mid-table mediocre side. Which considering the high esteem they hold themselves in, is a kind of doom.

Seen a lot of these 'full-kit s' around since it was highlighted on here the other week. They've all been young lads though so do they still count? All LFC kits oddly... chavs

Funny that, I was in Manchester on Friday and the place was full of FKWs, mostly Citeh fans but there were a few United fans. Personal favourite was seeing an actual couple in full kit, easily XXLs as well.

that was Rooney and scholes silly

Think you struggled to read it properly, have you changed opticians lately?



That quote there pretty much accepts that they have cocked up since they've came here but they are clearly keen to change that. Compare this summer's signings to the signings made the previous summer:

Joe Allen - Young player, clearly talented and looking like the type of player that could contribute as a starter for a long time. He's also young enough to give us good years and be sold for a good amount in the future.

Nuri Sahin - A loan signing oozing with talent and potential. If he settles we have a talented player that we haven't paid for yet, I imagine Madrid would be open to selling him seen as they have signed Modric, so we are in a bit of a winning situation. If he performs really well, the only problem could be a pretty large fee, but at least we'd be making a 99% certain investment, which I'd rather make a big investment in.

Fabio Borini - Another young player who the manager has worked with before and clearly liked. Quite a high fee but for a 21 year old versatile forward, it's pretty decent money given the 'pedigree', if you will. If he improves he'd easily sell at a profit, whilst he's versatile and determined enough to always have a place here. He's probably the riskiest of all signings, but he's a high character player who, IMO anyway, seems too determined to come here and fail.

Oussama Assaidi - Another young player. Small fee and probable small wages. If he performs we've got a bargain, if he doesn't we've spent very little and he's still young enough to either be sold or loaned out to enhance reputation.

Samed Yesil - Young player for the future. Could work out and we've saved millions, could end up failing and we've wasted very little.

All in all, the biggest problem with this transfer window was the quantity, rather than the quality IMO. We've signed the right type of player (age, reputation, price) and we've got rid of the right type of players (high earners, older players, players of little value to the club). The big problem is this should have happened last summer, but the owners made a clear error in judgment. They seemed to think Dalglish could turn it around in one big splurge in the market, when really he should have been starting the firesale and shifting the club into the right direction. They went for the CL and failed spectacularly, back to plan A it is and I'm really happy with that. My only 'problem' with plan A is they were supposed to have a 'structure' in place that allowed them to maintain direction regardless of manager; however, they thrown those plans out of the window and effectively put all faith in Rodgers, which is incredibly dangerous.

A lot of fans/journalists have a huge problem with FSG having final say on transfers, basically they give the thumbs up or thumbs down on a 'target', but I don't think that's too bad considering they're owners and they clearly don't want their money being 'wasted'. Dempsey was/is a decent player who had his best season last year, but he'll be after his last big contract and he offers little in terms of resale value. The owners clearly don't want that type of target, is that really so bad?

Borini looks mega-ordinary and not Prem class and Sahin looked way out of his depth IMO

Joe Allen looks the real biz tho' but won't be at LFC too long before one of the big spenders puts in a bid