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| Jermaine Beckford...
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| Quote: Robbie Rotten "Crespo wasn't world class? He was a world record fee IIRC, surely a player breaking those kind of records has to be one of the best?
Mascherano's one of the best holding midfielders in the world, so I'd say it's fair to say he's world class. I can name more wide players better than Robinho than I can name holding midfielders better than Mascherano.'"
Robihno is quality at international and club level. Even in his first few months in England his goalscoring record is excellent (a goal every two games - pretty good for a wide player wouldn't you say?) and not to mention his assists and the fact that he has become Brazil's talisman over the last two years. He will never be one of the top 3 or so in the world as he cannot grab the game by the scruff of the neck. I am interested in hearing all of these wingers who are better than him though.
Mascherano? How can someone be world class and not be able to pass the ball? I can think of several midfielders I would have ahead of Mascherano.
Macherano couldn't even get a game for a West Ham team facing relegation. he can tackle and he battles hard. He's not a footballer.
Crespo? Very good player but overrated. How has he played in the last two years?
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| Just been reading The Mirror ( no i dont believe everything i read Keith) but there was a caption about Vorinon stating that he might go back to Liverpool because of their striker shortages. He states that his agent has spoken to Liverpool about his "return"
But when the Mirror asked Liverpool, they said they only talked to Veronicas agent about the easiest way to get rid of him.
But you never know with Rafa....
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Robihno is quality at international and club level. Even in his first few months in England his goalscoring record is excellent (a goal every two games - pretty good for a wide player wouldn't you say?) and not to mention his assists and the fact that he has become Brazil's talisman over the last two years. He will never be one of the top 3 or so in the world as he cannot grab the game by the scruff of the neck. I am interested in hearing all of these wingers who are better than him though.
Mascherano? How can someone be world class and not be able to pass the ball? I can think of several midfielders I would have ahead of Mascherano.
Macherano couldn't even get a game for a West Ham team facing relegation. he can tackle and he battles hard. He's not a footballer.
Crespo? Very good player but overrated. How has he played in the last two years?'"
You said Crespo wasn't world class, which is completely wrong, as in his day, he was one of the best around.
Wide players I'd take over Robinhoholding[/i midfielders, he isn't that bad of a passer, he keeps it simple and gives it off to the better players, like Alonso and Gerrard. At holding the midfield, only Cambiasso and possibly De Rossi are up there with Mascherano. If you want to use Robinho being Brazil's 'talisman' as an excuse for him being so good, what about Masch? He's just become his countries captain, their leader!
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| Quote: MikePB "Just been reading The Mirror ( no i dont believe everything i read Keith) but there was a caption about Vorinon stating that he might go back to Liverpool because of their striker shortages. He states that his agent has spoken to Liverpool about his "return"
But when the Mirror asked Liverpool, they said they only talked to Veronicas agent about the easiest way to get rid of him.
But you never know with Rafa....'"
...and?
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| Quote: Catalancs "...and?'"
Serves me right for not checking the page before
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| Quote: MikePB "Serves me right for not checking the page before
well done for admitting it.
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| Quote: Robbie Rotten "You said Crespo wasn't world class, which is completely wrong, as in his day, he was one of the best around.
Wide players I'd take over Robinho
Much as Robben is doing well at Madrid now, its only a matter of time before he spends another lengthy spell on the treatment table. He's incredibly fragile and I'd say that gives Robino an edge over him as an investment, which is what football transfers are about.
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| It goes on opinion and preference.
I think Robben (when fit) is a better player.
He's done alright with injuries this year, and has been one of Madrid's stars.
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Nah, he is leaving the club for his son to run.
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| Quote: Robbie Rotten "You said Crespo wasn't world class, which is completely wrong, as in his day, he was one of the best around.'"
Please answer my questionWide players I'd take over Robinho
Ronaldo? Nowhere near as effective as Robihno at international level. I'll judge him once he has played in Spain (next season).
Messi? Best player in the world
Ribery? Don't be daft.
Robben? IMO he's the equal of Ronaldo
Interesting that you regard Robihno as an out-and-out winger. He's more of a forward. It's his best position. IMO he's the best No10 in the PL.
Quote: Robbie Rotten "As for Mascherano, we're not talking midfielders as a whole, we're talking [iholding[/i midfielders, he isn't that bad of a passer, he keeps it simple and gives it off to the better players, like Alonso and Gerrard. At holding the midfield, only Cambiasso and possibly De Rossi are up there with Mascherano. If you want to use Robinho being Brazil's 'talisman' as an excuse for him being so good, what about Masch? He's just become his countries captain, their leader!'"
Your specifying the type of midfielder. Can I say then that in terms of wingers, Robihno is the best 'predominantly right-footed but plays on the left and scores a few' in the world?
Robihno and Mascherano cannot be compared. Being a good tackler and keeping it simple doesn't make you one of the best players in the world. If it does, then you you are easily pleased. He can do a specific job and be effective, but never world class. Meanwhile Robihno has been excellent for Brazil - arguably the best team in the world.
Please explain how you can be top class and not be able to pass the ball consistently over 20 yards to a player in your own team?
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Ribery? Don't be daft.'"
I don't think its daft to suggest Ribery is at least the equal of Robinho. He is the driving force behind both his club and country. Their over-reliance upon him was their downfall at Euro 2008.
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| Quote: Robbie Rotten "You said Crespo wasn't world class, which is completely wrong, as in his day, he was one of the best around.
Wide players I'd take over Robinhoholding[/i midfielders, he isn't that bad of a passer, he keeps it simple and gives it off to the better players, like Alonso and Gerrard. At holding the midfield, only Cambiasso and possibly De Rossi are up there with Mascherano. If you want to use Robinho being Brazil's 'talisman' as an excuse for him being so good, what about Masch? He's just become his countries captain, their leader!'"
As an out & out Winger, I'd take Walcott over him. I think Robinho is pretty poor out wide to be honest. I've not seem him cross a ball in or beat a man on the outside etc. I think Robinho is an off the frontman or even a frontman, just not in the 'English' sense of it. He scored his goals for City through the middle like, I haven't seen too many where he's cut in from the left and bent it into the top corner etc. I think if you asked Robinho to stay out wide you'd negate everything good about him, he doesn't keep his width, he's far more effective infield, Hughes offers him this flexibillity, years ago, I think we'd have called it a 'Free Role.
I think Robinho is an excellent footballer, you still worry about him this time of year, any Brazilian in English football really, you sense they'll dip this time of the year, he'll finish the season with City strongly you'd think say March onwards.
In terms of English football, the cut & thrust of nature of it, I think Walcott could well go an to be a real stand out player in our league. It's a shame he got injured when he was really showing signs of developing. He was arguably Arsenals biggest threat early doors this season.
Ribery is an excellent footballer, why people knock him (I think somebody has on this thread). He's picked Bayern Munich off the floor single handedly since returning from injury.
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