I aint talking about kids here pal, these are fully fledged 'adults'.

There's no need to get so defensive simply because I ask a simple question. Whether I live in the town or not has nothing to do with it.

So in your very limited experience, some people you know have changed and you've decided that means the vast majority of the 10k/11k/12k people who go to watch the Latics now compared to their Springfield Park days supported someone else. I can see why you got so defensive now.

Its got everything to do with it, Id imagine living in Leeds you dont come into contact with hundreds of Tic fans or know their previous.

So buy your reconing Mori, Yougov should be surveying 60 million people when it comes to election time then instead of the usual 1000?
Reet I think this thread should now become a listing for Wigan RL fans to post their experiences of the numbers of Tic chameleons just for the benefit of our dear Andy.

Oh and before I forget lets argue the point in hand Andy and not get into you usual mind games, eh pal?

Wow that's some dummy spit:

- I can't comment or have an opinion because I live in Leeds;
- I'm playing "mind games" (?); and
- Because I make the sensible and obviously statistically accurate assessment that you can't make judgements on 12,000 people based on a few you know, I'm suggesting survey organisations shouldn't use representative samples.



It was obvious you were talking crapola and you obviously knew this yourself hence the above. The people you know who've changed are obviously really winding you up big time given how you react about Latics threads on here. I reckon that says more about you than them.

Just because you know some people who changed doesn't mean it's representative of 12,000 other people.

Did you wait til you was a fully fledged adult before you chose which sports teams you support? I', not just talking about kids, I'm saying people will have chosen a sccessful club to support as a youngster, and then switched away from them to Latics when Latics started doing well.

I do. Some of my closest friends support Latics. When the new season starts I will take the mick out of them and tell them they're going down, and if we get knocked out of the cup they will do the same to me. It's banter, but in all seriousness they hope we do well, and congratulated us when we won the league, just like I congratulated them when they stayed up last week.

I know what your saying and the influence comes from the media and parents when your young for which team to support, if any? But when youre in your 20's 30's 40's you should have really made your mind up, shouldnt you?
Wigan RL all the way for me pally.....ah George Fairburn those were the days...

I dont think youre grasping the idea of the argument are you?

Given the way you're getting so worked up about this I've obviously been teaching Fergie a thing or two about mind games. I don't need to have any examples, you're the one making statements up that you can't possibly back-up - I've not said either way, just that you don't have a clue whether what you say is right or wrong.

You've made the ridiculous statement of the vast majority of Latics fans supported someone else, yet can't back it up - because nobody can. Yet you still want to make it based on a few people you know, which means the rest of the people you've worked with over the last 20 years have and therefore the "vast majority" of 12,000 must therefore have supported someone else as well. And you wonder why I know you're talking rubbish.

Now were have I seen Andy post 'youre getting so worked up'? Ah I remember now, its in nearly every argument he gets involved in...see Andy I know you think you should be in the Senate, but you'd be more suited to the House of Lords, so we can all have a kip whilst you try and bore us to death....

Can I have the last say, please, please, please. Why argue about something that doesn't concern you, you claim to not care about and obviously know rag all about? Que another reply along the lines of 'youll give your self a heart attack' 'calm down dear'....get over yourself Andy!!

Catalancs I got drawn in by Martin Buckleys comments on 7, I do apologise. But youre spot on why has this borefest not been locked.

i agree with you mate.........why a thread about football hasnt been locked or removed is beyond my comprehension.

as is praising someone for winning naff all.

its like heaping praise on wakefield for not getting relegated.......

Who'd have thought me asking one simple question could have led to this?

Im with owdpopularsider on this, I work in a plumbing suppliers and you would not believe the amount of men who claimed to be die hard Liverpool/United Fans that suddenly became Mr Wigan Athletic when they went up. Its the whole attitude that does me, the hatred they have towards not only us, but it seems RL in general, the whole "its a bunch of fatties chasing an egg" and all that garbage they spout when they come into my workplace, I respect a very small percentage that HAVE supported them since the old days, but I have absoulutely no time for the rest of them. Also the shame they bring on the town time and time again, for example I was told on the day of the game at Stoke, hundreds of "latics fans" were jumping around King street, jumping on people's cars and even urinating on cars at the traffic lights. Iv never liked them and there pathetic attitude and yes, I believe the majority of them are the same from what I hear and see both in the workplace and in and around Wigan.