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Quote: ince mon "In the Hogs Head pub on Deansgate,on the day of the Grand Final,Latics were playing Wolves,there were rugby fans in there shouting for Wolves.'"



Exactly, it works both ways. The way people talk on here you would think rugby fans are all angels who have never done anything to cause tics fans to dislike us. A lot of people on both sides need to grow up

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Quote: martinbuckley "Once upon a time, we used to only get 4-5000. Are you saying the extra 10,000 that showed up in the mid-80s were not "real" fans? Are the extra 5,000 fans we get now compared to 8 years ago not "real" fans?'"


Oh dear Martin youve seem to have completely mis-understood my 'beef'...
As Ive said previously I dont really mind the glory hunters as each club has them be that Wigan RL, Tics or any other club.
But these extra Wigan RL fans you point out in your posting, have the vast majority of them supported Stains, Wire or Leeds in the past?

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "Oh dear Martin youve seem to have completely mis-understood my 'beef'...
As Ive said previously I dont really mind the glory hunters as each club has them be that Wigan RL, Tics or any other club.
But these extra Wigan RL fans you point out in your posting, have the vast majority of them supported Stains, Wire or Leeds in the past?'"


How do you know the vast majority of "new" Latics fans have supported someone else in the past?

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "Oh dear Martin youve seem to have completely mis-understood my 'beef'...
As Ive said previously I dont really mind the glory hunters as each club has them be that Wigan RL, Tics or any other club.
But these extra Wigan RL fans you point out in your posting, have the vast majority of them supported Stains, Wire or Leeds in the past?'"


You can't compare the 2. Wigan RL have always been a big club. When I was at school a lot of kids supported Latics half heartedly, and also supported a Premier League team, because when you're 10 you don't give a $hit about the lower leagues, not many people give a toss full stop, and everyone wants to support one of the big clubs with all the glamour and coverage that the Premiership has. Obviously when they made it big (ish) those people who supported Latics and also had a "big club" went full time with Latics

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "How do you know the vast majority of new Latics fans have supported someone else in the past?'"


OFFS Andy have you no mucktags to pick off?

I can only go off my experience, Since 1990 Ive worked in 3 workplaces around this town with a combined workforce of approx 2100 staff. Of these 2100 people I can only remember around 15 that I can geniunley say didn't support any other club but Tics. I can tell you now, I could probably x20 the amount of people that now claim to watch TICS on a regular bases that we all knew had done a chameleon like change. Come 2005 people that I knew previously had supported UTD, scouse teams (even adorning the red devils/liver birds tatoo). The vast majority of Tics fans I know HAVE supported other teams in the past.
Having got to know the staff over a 21 year period I could even write down a list of tics fans with past alligences.

Im pretty sure other Wigan RL fans will concur with my experience, and have very similar examples.

Once again Andy I fail to see how somebody that doesnt live in the town can comment on the issue Ive brought up.

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Quote: --[ WW ]-- "--"You can't compare the 2. Wigan RL have always been a big club. When I was at school a lot of kids supported Latics half heartedly, and also supported a Premier League team, because when you're 10 you don't give a $hit about the lower leagues, not many people give a toss full stop, and everyone wants to support one of the big clubs with all the glamour and coverage that the Premiership has. Obviously when they made it big (ish) those people who supported Latics and also had a "big club" went full time with Latics'"


I aint talking about kids here pal, these are fully fledged 'adults'.

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "OFFS Andy have you no mucktags to pick off?

I can only go off my experience, Since 1990 Ive worked in 3 workplaces around this town with a combined total of employees of approx 2100 staff. Of these 2100 people I can only remember around 15 that I can geniunley say didn't support any other club but Tics. I can tell you now, I could probably x20 the amount of people that now claim to watch TICS on a regular bases that we all knew had done a chameleon like change. Come 2005 people that I knew previously had supported UTD, scouse teams (even adorning the red devils/liver birds tatoo). The vast majority of Tics fans I know HAVE supported other teams in the past.
Having got to know the staff over a 21 year period I could even write down a list of tics fans with past alligences.

Im pretty sure other Wigan RL fans will concur with my experience, and have very similar examples.

Once again Andy I fail to see how somebody that doesnt live in the town can comment on the issue Ive brought up.'"


There's no need to get so defensive simply because I ask a simple question. Whether I live in the town or not has nothing to do with it.

So in your very limited experience, some people you know have changed and you've decided that means the vast majority of the 10k/11k/12k people who go to watch the Latics now compared to their Springfield Park days supported someone else. I can see why you got so defensive now.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "There's no need to get so defensive simply because I ask a simple question. Whether I live in the town or not has nothing to do with it.

So in your very limited experience, some people you know have changed and you've decided that means the vast majority of the 10k/11k/12k people who go to watch the Latics now compared to their Springfield Park days supported someone else. I can see why you got so defensive now.'"



Its got everything to do with it, Id imagine living in Leeds you dont come into contact with hundreds of Tic fans or know their previous.

So buy your reconing Mori, Yougov should be surveying 60 million people when it comes to election time then instead of the usual 1000?
Reet I think this thread should now become a listing for Wigan RL fans to post their experiences of the numbers of Tic chameleons just for the benefit of our dear Andy.

Oh and before I forget lets argue the point in hand Andy and not get into you usual mind games, eh pal?

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "Its got everything to do with it, Id imagine living in Leeds you dont come into contact with hundreds of Tic fans or know their previous.

So buy your reconing Mori, Yougov should be surveying 60 million people when it comes to election time then instead of the usual 1000?
Reet I think this thread should now become a listing for Wigan RL fans to post their experiences of the numbers of Tic chameleons just for the benefit of our dear Andy.

Oh and before I forget lets argue the point in hand Andy and not get into you usual mind games, eh pal?'"


Wow that's some dummy spit:

- I can't comment or have an opinion because I live in Leeds;
- I'm playing "mind games" (?); and
- Because I make the sensible and obviously statistically accurate assessment that you can't make judgements on 12,000 people based on a few you know, I'm suggesting survey organisations shouldn't use representative samples.

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It was obvious you were talking crapola and you obviously knew this yourself hence the above. The people you know who've changed are obviously really winding you up big time given how you react about Latics threads on here. I reckon that says more about you than them.

Just because you know some people who changed doesn't mean it's representative of 12,000 other people.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Wow that's some dummy spit:

- I can't comment or have an opinion because I live in Leeds;
- I'm playing "mind games" (?); and
- Because I make the sensible and obviously statistically accurate assessment that you can't make judgements on 12,000 people based on a few you know, I'm suggesting survey organisations shouldn't use representative samples.


So side tracking mindgames it is then eh Andy?
Its the old Andy trick of 'I dont have any examples or know what Im talking about' so I throw the old 'youre being defensive' 'youre spitting the dummy out' 'youre talking crapola' cards...

Do you not think you can get a pretty good idea of the fanbase of a club from a workforce of 2k+ bearing in mind the town size? Or do you think Yougov/Mori should use a different system?

Other Wigan RL fans living/working in the town please feel free to add your experiences, just for our old dear friend Leeds/Wigan Andy...awww bless his little cotton socks

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "I aint talking about kids here pal, these are fully fledged 'adults'.'"


Did you wait til you was a fully fledged adult before you chose which sports teams you support? I', not just talking about kids, I'm saying people will have chosen a sccessful club to support as a youngster, and then switched away from them to Latics when Latics started doing well.

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Quote: Owdpopularsider "

Other Wigan RL fans living/working in the town please feel free to add your experiences, just for our old dear friend Leeds/Wigan Andy...awww bless his little cotton socks'"


I do. Some of my closest friends support Latics. When the new season starts I will take the mick out of them and tell them they're going down, and if we get knocked out of the cup they will do the same to me. It's banter, but in all seriousness they hope we do well, and congratulated us when we won the league, just like I congratulated them when they stayed up last week.

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Quote: --[ WW ]-- "--"Did you wait til you was a fully fledged adult before you chose which sports teams you support? I', not just talking about kids, I'm saying people will have chosen a sccessful club to support as a youngster, and then switched away from them to Latics when Latics started doing well.'"


I know what your saying and the influence comes from the media and parents when your young for which team to support, if any? But when youre in your 20's 30's 40's you should have really made your mind up, shouldnt you?
Wigan RL all the way for me pally.....ah George Fairburn those were the days...

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Quote: --[ WW ]-- "--"I do. Some of my closest friends support Latics. When the new season starts I will take the mick out of them and tell them they're going down, and if we get knocked out of the cup they will do the same to me. It's banter, but in all seriousness they hope we do well, and congratulated us when we won the league, just like I congratulated them when they stayed up last week.'"


I dont think youre grasping the idea of the argument are you?

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v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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