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Squad announcement.
No place for Vaughan and quite rightly so....
England Test Squad
1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire)
2. Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire)
3. James Anderson (Lancashire)
4. Ian Bell (Warwickshire)
5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
6. Paul Collingwood (Durham)
7. Alastair Cook (Essex)
8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Harmison (Durham)
10. Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire)
11. Matt Prior (Sussex)
12. Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
13. Owais Shah (Middlesex)
14. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)
15. Andrew Strauss (Middlesex)
16. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire)
England One-day Squad
1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire)
2. James Anderson (Lancashire)
3. Ian Bell (Warwickshire)
4. Ravi Bopara (Essex),
5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire),
6. Paul Collingwood (Durham)
7. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)
8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Harmison (Durham)
10. Dimitri Mascarenhas (Hampshire)
11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
12. Matt Prior (Sussex)
13. Owais Shah (Middlesex)
14. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire)
15. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)
England Lions Squad
1. Robert Key (captain, Kent)
2. Gareth Batty (Worcestershire)
3. Ravi Bopara (Essex)
4. Mark Davies (Durham)
5. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)*
6. Joe Denly (Kent)
7. Amjad Khan (Kent)
8. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Moore (Worcestershire)
10. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
12. Liam Plunkett (Durham)
13. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire)
14. Luke Wright (Sussex)
*Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies.
www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/squad,303641,EN.html
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Squad announcement.
No place for Vaughan and quite rightly so....
England Test Squad
1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire)
2. Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire)
3. James Anderson (Lancashire)
4. Ian Bell (Warwickshire)
5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
6. Paul Collingwood (Durham)
7. Alastair Cook (Essex)
8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Harmison (Durham)
10. Monty Panesar (Northamptonshire)
11. Matt Prior (Sussex)
12. Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
13. Owais Shah (Middlesex)
14. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)
15. Andrew Strauss (Middlesex)
16. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire)
England One-day Squad
1. Kevin Pietersen (captain, Hampshire)
2. James Anderson (Lancashire)
3. Ian Bell (Warwickshire)
4. Ravi Bopara (Essex),
5. Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire),
6. Paul Collingwood (Durham)
7. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)
8. Andrew Flintoff (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Harmison (Durham)
10. Dimitri Mascarenhas (Hampshire)
11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
12. Matt Prior (Sussex)
13. Owais Shah (Middlesex)
14. Graeme Swann (Nottinghamshire)
15. Ryan Sidebottom (Nottinghamshire)
England Lions Squad
1. Robert Key (captain, Kent)
2. Gareth Batty (Worcestershire)
3. Ravi Bopara (Essex)
4. Mark Davies (Durham)
5. Steven Davies (Worcestershire)*
6. Joe Denly (Kent)
7. Amjad Khan (Kent)
8. Sajid Mahmood (Lancashire)
9. Stephen Moore (Worcestershire)
10. Eoin Morgan (Middlesex)
11. Samit Patel (Nottinghamshire)
12. Liam Plunkett (Durham)
13. Jonathan Trott (Warwickshire)
14. Luke Wright (Sussex)
*Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies.
www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/squad,303641,EN.html
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| Common sense prevails
Quote: airliebird9 "*Tim Ambrose (Warwickshire) will replace Steven Davies in the Lions squad following the conclusion of the Test series in West Indies'"
Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.
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| Quote: The Penguin "Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.'"
That's possibly why he's in the One Day squad then captain.
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| Quote: The Penguin "Common sense prevails
Not happy. Davies is a top player especially in the shorter game.'"
I took that as meaning Ambrose will travel to NZ to play with the lions whilst Davies will play in the ODI series in the Caribbean. It does say after the TEST series and Davies is in the ODI squad??...
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| Quote: Oldham Rhino "That's possibly why he's in the One Day squad then captain.
Just as well then!
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| Cracking looking little player is Davies - undoubtedly the best young keeper I've seen for quite some time with the bat and the gloves...I still think Foster deserves another crack at least as back-up to Prior.
Another thing - 3 spinners to theWest Indies? When was the last time that happened for us??
Good to see Mascarenhas back in the ODI squad too considering he did absolutely nowt wrong to get dropped in the first place.
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| What does Ian Bell have to do to get dropped ? I like Bell, but his record in ODI cricket is cack. Denly &/Or Key must have been a better alternative against in International Cricket terms, a 'weaker nation' to bed in.
I'd also put Rashid in the ODI side at the expense of Patel, take a look at him in International Cricket before he's plunged into a test scenario.
Put Flintoff, Shah & KP into the Lions side and it looks quite an exciting side.
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| Quote: JWP "What does Ian Bell have to do to get dropped ? I like Bell, but his record in ODI cricket is cack. Denly &/Or Key must have been a better alternative against in International Cricket terms, a 'weaker nation' to bed in.'"
Key is one of the last people who should be considered for limited overs matches - an orthodox batsman, non-bowler and mediocre fieldsman - and he's older than Bell to boot.
Quote: JWP "I'd also put Rashid in the ODI side at the expense of Patel, take a look at him in International Cricket before he's plunged into a test scenario.'"
Patel is primarily a batsman and therefore not directly interchangeable with Rashid, and furthermore he's another youngster who has barely had a proper chance himself at ODI level. Dropping him for another young player would be all wrong.
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| Quote: Prince of Denmark "Key is one of the last people who should be considered for limited overs matches - an orthodox batsman, non-bowler and mediocre fieldsman - and he's older than Bell to boot.
Patel is primarily a batsman and therefore not directly interchangeable with Rashid, and furthermore he's another youngster who has barely had a proper chance himself at ODI level. Dropping him for another young player would be all wrong.'"
Key - Firstly, I couldn't give a monkeys about his age. I'm bothered about getting an ODI side together that can compete for a World Cup. He is an orthodox batsmen, but one who's domestic 20/20 & Limited Overs record over the past couple of years with Denly pushes him forward for selection.
Patel is a bits & pieces cricketer, batting at 7 for England and bowling part time off spin, I'd rather see Rashid get a go, I think he has the potential to be a recognised batsmen but is more of a frontline bowler than Rashid, is far more mobile in the field & has alot more improvement in him of the two, I think he's the one who would benefit from playing with better players more. From what i've seen of him, he looks like someone who learns quickly and has a 'big game' arrogance to him.
Denly is the one who should be in above Bell or Key. I don't care how old Ian Bell is, he isn't an ODI cricketer. He can't pace an innings, and if you can't do that you need to dominate at the top of theinnings and he can't do that, so there's no place for him.
If England went with an interchangeable top five of :
Shah
Denly
KP
Flintoff
Collingwood
Four of the top five are people capable of dominating an attack.
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Shift some kit around, carry some drinks, watch Monty Predictable get belted out of the ground on a regular basis...
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| Quote: JWP "If England went with an interchangeable top five of
Flintoff at 4, are you out of your mind? You have been following cricket in the last 3 years right? Flintoff is finished as a top 7 batsman. He's been abysmal since the 2005 ashes.
With regards to Patel, he's a batting all-rounder and as such he should be kept in regardless of whether Rashid is selected. The continued selection of Cook and Harmison in ODI squads baffles me.
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| Quote: The Penguin "With regards to Patel, he's a batting all-rounder and as such he should be kept in regardless of whether Rashid is selected. The continued selection of Cook and Harmison in ODI squads baffles me.'"
Samit Patel is one of the best young batsmen in England; he bats in the top five for Notts and has a career First Class batting average of almost 50. Unfortunately the selectors seem to have a knack of utilising such young players (Shah & Bopara being others) as lower middle-order bits and pieces players in the limited overs game instead of giving them a proper chance playing to their strengths in the Test side. Now people not surprisingly have come to regard him as interchangeable with bowlers who can bat a bit, such as his county teammate Graeme Swann.
Adil Rashid is potentially a Test class all rounder whose career batting and bowling averages are already both in the early thirties. I'm really looking forward to seeing how he shapes up in a Test match.
As for Cook, I can only assume he's in the one day squads for his slip fielding. On second thoughts Rob Key wouldn't be such a bad selection after all.
There just seems to be something a bit soft about Ian Bell - he's the opposite of some of his recent predecessors such as Graham Thorpe and Nasser Hussain, and now teammates such as Pietersen and Collingwood.
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| Basically, the likes of Bopara and Patel are shunted down the order to accomodate the likes of Bell in the one-day squad.
And we wonder why we struggle at this level of the game.
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| Quote: The Penguin "Flintoff at 4, are you out of your mind? You have been following cricket in the last 3 years right? Flintoff is finished as a top 7 batsman. He's been abysmal since the 2005 ashes.
With regards to Patel, he's a batting all-rounder and as such he should be kept in regardless of whether Rashid is selected. The continued selection of Cook and Harmison in ODI squads baffles me.'"
In ODI cricket you have to get the right people time at the crease. I see no benefit in batting Andrew Flintoff at six or seven, when the asking rate is rising and there's fielders strewn around the boundary edge. Get Flintoff in early, facing the quicks who he starts better against, in powerplays, where he can be destructive. To add also, I think in the last six months or so, there's just the first shoots that his batting is getting itself together again, in India, he at times looked capable of batting for long periods, and building an innings, something which I fekt had gone out of his game, when he's batting poorly, it's either 0 or a quick crash bang wallop 20.
I agree with you on both Cook & Harmison.
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