The point wasn't about the players really though was it? It was about Rob's view of Capello being some sort of super manager that England players aren't up to his ability, strange comment.

I've never thought England were good enough to win a major championship, possibly the later rounds like QF or maybe SF but there are teams much better than England. There's a transition going on with England, there's a lot of older players who need someone to drop them and a crop of younger players who look to have plenty of ability, the future doesn't look bad at all for England.

Kelly shaved the post in the first half with a very easy chance, Carroll did as well in the second after being played in by Suarez, Suarez himself fluffed a one on one with Howard where he tried to hit it with the outside of his right foot.

As you mentioned Everton were truly awful. But it's what happens when you start Victor Anichebe, Seamus Coleman, Denis Stracqualursi, Tony Hibbert etc. Everton went to not concede, there was no intent to score or try to win the game. His bright idea was working hard, running around a lot and holding Liverpool to a 0-0. Liverpool are not a great side and with Carragher playing are very open and their midfield has no balance.

It really winds me up how willing to accept it we were. There was no urgency to get back into the game and bar Baines and Drenthe when he came on, there was no passion to win the game. If you are going with the mentality Moyes chose, you've got to be ultra-committed and pressure the opposition into making mistakes. Instead his negativity just meant Liverpool could commit Enrique and Kelly forward with little fear of us breaking.

Moyes isn't a 'bad' manager. He would make any side solid, I just think he's done as much as he can with Everton. Over his 10 years at the club he's had several seasons where we've shown promise and won games against good teams. But he lacks the ability to push the club on and take it beyond that hard to beat mid table side into one that can challenge for a European place.

I can't see Moyes ever being successful at a top club like Chelsea. Playing one up front with no wingers and nine men behind the ball at home to Bolton wouldn't go down too well at a club like that.

I don't know what's gone on at the stadium, many people have supported the view that there was a confusion between the word black and manc. It's an easy mistake to make, particularly when you consider accents, and I think there would have been a fair amount of people that heard it. If the Oldham player heard it on the field, you can bet at least 5/10 rows around the man shouting will have heard it.

I haven't read/heard anything about the monkey gesture, I didn't see anybody defending it and I don't recall any witnesses coming out and giving evidence to support the man doing the gesture. Maybe somebody did? I don't know and I don't care to be honest, I don't really care about the fella who wasn't charged for the Oldham incident, but when idiots like Saddened spout drivel for the sake of it, I can't help but have a chomp.

Mario Gomez makes me feel ill.

I think this has run its course.