And they battered both on their own middin.

This post is someone clutching at straws. Utd are not out of it but City with the one exception of a daft 20 minutes at Fulham have looked like champions far more than chelsea last season who also started well.

City have Newcastle (h), Liverpool (a), Norwich (h) Chelsea (a) and Arsenal (h) coming up. With CL games against Napoli (a) and Bayern (h) in amongst. Should be able to make a fair assessment of how things stand after that lot.

Totally agree. Going to be alot of sides taking points off each other around the top. Teams like Man United, Man City, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea will all be tricky.

Sad to hear about the passing of Burnley legend Jimmy Adamson. League Championship-winning captain, Footballer of the Year, England 66 squad member and guided his Clarets back to the First Division as manager in 1973.

Not really, if it's read properly the FA are saying they don't want either of them speaking out while they investigate the incident, probably so that things are 'mis-quoted', as we so often hear footballers say they are, or so they investigations isn't compromised through the press. They'll want him to speak at the investigation hearing obviously but there's no need to speak to the press, once the investigation is complete we'll know either way anyway.

When people are accused of bad behaviour they are often judged by the public by their immediate reaction to the accusation. The strength of their denial, how indignant they are. It may not be right but that's how it is. By depriving Suarez of the right to immediately defend his reputation the FA are increasing the likelihood that mud will stick, particularly if the investigation is inconclusive (eg "not sufficient evidense").

There will be some who will think "Well he didnt seem particularly bothered about being accused of racism, there must be something in it"

Stoke and Everton can hardly be classed up there or else we are going to have to start taking Bolton, QPR and Swansea into the equation too.

You've also included Spurs twice and an Arsenal team that was bereft of any decent players.

In reality United's tough games have been Spurs, Chelsea and City at home and Liverpool away (7 points out of 12) and City's have been Spurs and United away ( 6 points out of 6 and 11 goals).

If we take one point from the forthcoming games at Liverpool and Chelsea then our records will be the same. However, all of our games against the big opposition will have been away with nearly all United's at home.

Whilst we have battered two of the other big five away, can we really see United doing the same? When was the last time United beat anyone decent away?

Ouch.

Pretty much bang on. city are in it for the long haul now regardless of who they have played/got to play. When was the last time we beat anyone decent away? Good question! With tinkermans predictable 4-5-1 in any big away game the best we can hope for is a draw, or maybe a fluke 1-0 win. This has been the case for the last 3-4 years, but due to the poor standard of opposition we have been able to get away with it, especially last season.

Come back in Feb, we'll be top of the form table then, when its too late to make a charge for Europe....