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| Was absolutely gutted last night but Haye never looked like winning that fight once both boxers were in the ring.
Wlad was able to get ring position right from round one and although initially he couldn't land the jab, as the fight progressed he was consistent with it.
I couldn't see what strategy Haye was fighting to. I can't believe Booth sent him out with the intention of throwing so few punches and taking so few risks. I can only assume Haye couldn't implement the game plan because he couldn't get around the jab and so ended up doing not alot.
Haye just didnt throw nearly enough punches, you're never going to win on points throwing circa 20 punches a round when you're missing with 75% of them.
Credit to Klitschko, he out worked, out thought and out boxed Haye all night long but injured toe or not, Haye can't be happy with that performance.
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| Quote Panda Antics="Panda Antics"Was absolutely gutted last night but Haye never looked like winning that fight once both boxers were in the ring.
Wlad was able to get ring position right from round one and although initially he couldn't land the jab, as the fight progressed he was consistent with it.
I couldn't see what strategy Haye was fighting to. I can't believe Booth sent him out with the intention of throwing so few punches and taking so few risks. I can only assume Haye couldn't implement the game plan because he couldn't get around the jab and so ended up doing not alot.
Haye just didnt throw nearly enough punches, you're never going to win on points throwing circa 20 punches a round when you're missing with 75% of them.
Credit to Klitschko, he out worked, out thought and out boxed Haye all night long but injured toe or not, Haye can't be happy with that performance.'"
 Well said mate, top post, I was gutted myself. Really thought Haye would've gone a lot closer. Booth would've had a strategy, they've waited three years for this fight I can't believe they would go out like that either. I think they've come unstuck by Klitschko and they couldn't find away around his jab, as was pointed out many times Klitschko has a really awkward stance, it's so difficult to get around. You're right he didn't throw enough, even when he did land one he wasn't following it up, Booth made that point, he wanted him to go in and then follow that up. They claim he couldn't because of the broken toe, either way he didn't do enough - or wasn't allowed too.
It's just a pity so called 'boxing fans' instantly jump on the back of Haye, just like with Murray at Wimbledon.
I don't think Haye or Booth will be happy with how things went, I also don't think it's time for Haye to retire he's only 30. There's still time for him, I'd love him to get a Chisora fight and shut him up.
I see Frank Warren's sticking the boot in, surprised he's still not crying over about DeGale losing. It's pathetic he's got involved, he hates Booth for getting one over on him and DeGale when he fought Groves.
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| I hate Frank Warren.
Haye got nowhere near to implementing the plan Booth will have given him, for whatever reason.
Couple of things Haye should have done IMHO.
1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.
2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds.
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| Quote Dan_FC="Dan_FC"I don't think Haye or Booth will be happy with how things went, I also don't think it's time for Haye to retire he's only 30. There's still time for him, I'd love him to get a Chisora fight and shut him up.'"
I don't want to see him go out on last night's loss, but as much as I'd like to see Chisora get chinned, it wouldn't help Haye's legacy. The only fight worth taking would be against one of the Klitschko brothers, but there's no way he could do that before his 31st (and certainly not if he wants his toe to heal fully).
Quote Dan_FCI see Frank Warren's sticking the boot in, surprised he's still not crying over about DeGale losing. It's pathetic he's got involved, he hates Booth for getting one over on him and DeGale when he fought Groves.'"
Can't stand Warren. Nasty piece of work who loses any fighter with real promise (and he will lose De Gale in time) either because he doesn't have the contacts on a world stage or because he doesn't pay the fighter what they're owed and as you say, his opinion isn't needed (or wanted).
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| Quote Matt23="Matt23"1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.'"
That's what I couldn't understand, why not, even mid way through the fight they change their attack and go for that body shot outside the jab. He missed with most of them, Haye was very good at feignting last second and avoiding the contact but as you rightly say, why not slip the jab and put a good right onto the body, it'd be a good scoring point plus enough of them and they'd wear down Klitschko.
Quote Matt23="Matt23"2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds. '"
I'm not so sure it was caution or the fact he knew he wasn't winning, the toe was probably starting to pain by the later rounds and he was getting frustrated he couldn't get around the jab and land a decent punch on Klitschko. I would've preferred him to throw everything at Klitschko, especially late on.
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| Quote Panda Antics="Panda Antics"I don't want to see him go out on last night's loss, but as much as I'd like to see Chisora get chinned, it wouldn't help Haye's legacy. The only fight worth taking would be against one of the Klitschko brothers, but there's no way he could do that before his 31st (and certainly not if he wants his toe to heal fully).'"
I just wonder if he'll reconsider his retirement, I don't think he'll get a rematch but I wonder if Vitali would take him on if he hangs around. He's been two weight champion, gave us some good shows so I wouldn't condemn him if he wanted to retire but I hope he'll hang around, at least for a few months to see what turns up in the next few months. I'm not a Tyson Fury fan but I'd love to see him give Chisora a beating.
Quote Panda Antics="Panda Antics"Can't stand Warren. Nasty piece of work who loses any fighter with real promise (and he will lose De Gale in time) either because he doesn't have the contacts on a world stage or because he doesn't pay the fighter what they're owed and as you say, his opinion isn't needed (or wanted).'"
Spot on, he's a pr1ck. I'm certain I haven't heard a peep out of him since the board told him where to go with his request for a rematch for DeGale. Licking his wounds I guess, no need for him to come out now and start spouting. It won't be long before DeGale becomes too big headed to Warren and heads off.
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| Blaming the toe was embarrassing though, he should of just let it leak out in the media over the next couple of days
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| Well you'll never see the Klitschko brothers fighting each other. Is there any other decent heavyweight out there at all ?
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| Quote Matt23="Matt23"1) WK was throwing that jab out metronomically, and Haye was slipping many of them. However Haye was looking for that overhand right every time. Why not slip outside the jab and really have a dig at the body with the right hand? An easy scoring punch at worst, better it starts to bring Klitschko's left hand down a bit. Then the overhand right becomes more likely to find the mark.
2) Due to WK's style, finding the mark with the bi right was nigh on impossible. Haye said himself that he is susceptible to the southpaww back hand, so why not throw a lot more lead left hooks, or even consider switching which he had hinted at in the build up. That left shoulder of WK was so high up as a guard it was almost inpenetrable. I think throwing the left with more conviction would have been a riskier strategy, but he'd have gained more respect from me if he'd have gone out on his shield. You can guarentee Froch or Hatton would not be cautious going into those last rounds.'"
Totally agree with the body shot. Yes it would be a point scoring shot (but that's neither here nor there because he was never going to win on points) but more importantly it would put some doubt into Wlad's mind, and if he could hurt him with a few (get dirty and throw it into the kidneys if it was within reach) Klitschko would have no choice but to drop the high left hand guard, his jab would be severely weakened and that's most the battle with Wlad.
I'm not sure going south paw (even just to throw a big left) would have worked to be honest, but I agree that he might as well have been knocked out trying something different and going for the win than simply struggling to a unanimous points loss (were it not for the point Klitschko was deducted, I only gave Haye one round all fight).
Quote Matt23="Dan_FC"I just wonder if he'll reconsider his retirement, I don't think he'll get a rematch but I wonder if Vitali would take him on if he hangs around. He's been two weight champion, gave us some good shows so I wouldn't condemn him if he wanted to retire but I hope he'll hang around, at least for a few months to see what turns up in the next few months. I'm not a Tyson Fury fan but I'd love to see him give Chisora a beating.'"
Klitschko camp saying Wlad's not interested but Vitali would quite like to knock Haye out! I actually think Haye's a better chance against Vitali, even accounting for his jaw of steel. As you say, 2 weight world champion, could have easily stayed at cruiserweight and taken pay cheque after pay cheque but he challeneged himself. The only defence for the criticism that is coming his way is that he said he was going to attack Klitschko and he didn't, partly no doubt because of the toe but mainly because Wlad was too good.
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| Quote Panda Antics="Panda Antics"Klitschko camp saying Wlad's not interested but Vitali would quite like to knock Haye out! I actually think Haye's a better chance against Vitali, even accounting for his jaw of steel. As you say, 2 weight world champion, could have easily stayed at cruiserweight and taken pay cheque after pay cheque but he challeneged himself. The only defence for the criticism that is coming his way is that he said he was going to attack Klitschko and he didn't, partly no doubt because of the toe but mainly because Wlad was too good.'"
I don't think, like myself, they thought Klitschko would've been as he was and they'd be able to get at him and break him down and he couldn't. No matter what people say I think the toe will have had an impact on the fight and Haye's tactics but there were still opportunities for him to have a couple of body shots and wear him down plus a bit of pain and it may well have took its toll late on. I think he's held his own at heavyweight, he's beaten, comfortably, anyone who's been put in his way and this was one step too far but he's took the challenge on, something a lot of fighters these days don't do.
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| Am I the only person who thought it was a bit pathetic blaming it on his toe? He's trained on the toe and will have known what he could and couldn't do on it. If it was as bad as he says it was then fool him for fighting on it.
As for the comments of challenging himself at Heavyweight rather than staying at Cruiserweight and taking easy pay cheques that's a wind up yeah? The heavyweight division is dire other than the Klitchsko's hence why he gave it a go. Knowing very well that while he would pick up reasonable cheques at cruiserweight he would earn a boatload more in any fight with the Klitschko's. A heavyweight clash is always a big earner especially when it's one that unifies the division.
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