I was thinking more along the lines of Johnathon Trott, Andrew Strauss, Matt Prior and Kevin Pieterson who are in the current Ashes side.

Oh and your current South African coach Andy Flower

But I suppose you could include other players like Michael Lumb and Craig Kieswetter in the Twenty20 plus guys from the past like Tony Greig, Robin Smith and Alan Lamb.

And thats just the ones I can think of.




I'm still backing South Africa C to win the Ashes.

Rashid is a serious prospect in all formats IMO, and potentially a genuine Test all-rounder. Long term: Rashid? Tredwell? Yardy? etc. He deserves faith and perseverence.

I feel Rashid should be blooded properly while we are in a position of strength spin-wise, i.e. while Swann is in his prime, rather than waiting until we're in sudden need of a spin-bowling messiah, as the Aussies are right now. The very fact that Rashid is an excellent batsman and useful fielder makes it even more of a no-brainer.

Ah! So in fact, in your roundabout way, you're trying to tell us that you do actually consider Test cricket to be the finest form of the game. Good. We have some common ground. I do wish you would make yourself absolutely clear in future instead of talking in riddles.

So are you one of those people who like to dress up in funny outfits at the test matches, pay money and be in the so called 'Barmy Army'?

Do you sing highly original and amusing songs like 'Brett Lee takes it up the arrrse' or 'Salman and the 2 Mohammeds might end up in jail la la la la la'**

** Or similar

There's a documentary on BBC 4 for those interested about the Afghan team's qualifying campaign for the World Cup in South Africa at 10pm tonight called [iOut Of The Ashes[/i. Supposed to be good.

Well as the Ashes themselves are long over, and the mammoth tour itself has finally come to an end, I suggest we move world cup related debate to the cricket world cup thread and, if anything else comes up, new threads can be started when needed.