Personal insults are on the way, weapon of the weak minded. I've answered your question several times. there are teams who are better than the Packers who have lesser records as they have played better teams, this shows that the Packers record is decieving as they aren't a better team than lets say the Ravens, hopefully that will finally let the penny drop.

I'm not weak minded.

You're comparing too many different records. I could argue that Houston (for example) have played more difficult teams than the Saints (for example) so are better and therefore have a decieving record. If we were 5-0 and Baltimore 0-5 would Baltimore still be the better team? So not only are we decieving because we have only beaten "poor team" but also because other teams have worse records? Something entirely out of control.

So what your saying is essentially that in your opinion Baltimore are a better team so because we are currently on a better record we must have a decieving record.

You really haven't answered my question which i've underlined several times. One more can't hurt. [uDECEPTION MEANS TO HIDE SOMETHING. ARE WE HIDING THAT WE SHOULD BE AN EXCELLENT TEAM (5-0) OR A TERRIBLE TEAM (0-5)??[/u

Calm down dear its only a forum !!!

Fair play. I'd recommend the Green Man pre match after last year if you get a chance. Jam packed of NFL fans from all teams and a cracking atmosphere. I was speaking to one bloke last year who had tickets for the official tailgate. He went in the Green Man before it, swanned off at 12 ish and was back by one cos he said it wasn't a patch!

I'll be going out round the City afterwards probably. I can only see me ending up in one place - 4 of us are going, the other 3 are single - Strigfellows!

To decieve means to mislead, your record is misleading as was Denvers at the time, which is what yourself pointed out. I may change my opinion when you beat a decent team or 2 but at the moment it is misleading.

PMSL.

You quite clearly can't or won't answer my question. Evidently because you don't have an answer.

Insult number 2...duly noted. Ive answered it about ten times and also gave you the correct definition of decieving. Lets agree to disagree, I'll keep looking out for your wonderful NFL views and predictions.

You haven't given me any correct definition. Decieving is to mislead. Mislead is to lead or guide wrongly. Therefore by having a 3-2 record which is average. Decieving means we, in your opinion, should be either excellent or terrible. 5-0 or 0-5. Your version of misleading leaves nothing to form. You've said Baltimore are a better team but have a worse record. That is your opinion,based not on the facts, but that you believe Baltimore are better. You've also said based on the performance of a seperate team over which we have no control compared to our team we are misleading. Yet you continue to ignore my question: If we are our 3-2 average record is misleading then are we misleadingly bad or misleadingly good.

The point extends to the Giants not just the Packers.

Now I'm lost mate, lets agree to disagree too tired now pal. Well see at the end of the season when you 5-11 and were 0-16.

I'd take a look as i've previously said just put in a trade offer