You've characterised my reasons for being underwhelmed entirely on me hating IL and KR - which simply isn't true. You've based your entire premise over the last god knows how many pages on a lie. I hate to break this to you given your stance (based on a lie), but people can form opinions based on the individual merits or otherwise of particular actions. You seem to be having trouble with that.

I mentioned you hating IL and KR once based on your comments after the fans forum when you accused them of lying (myself being one of those fans treated like a mug) and multiple posts in which you've slagged them off. I have simply asked you for reasons (and had done multiple times prior to me mentioning IL and KR) why you are underwhelmed about a successful assistant coach being promoted to head coach but you haven't provided any (other than wanting a pie in the sky appointment) so I'll presume you don't actually have any other than the usual crap that we normally see from people that won't give the club any credit for anything whatsoever but are quick to jump on them should something go wrong.

As someone on the other site said"6 out of 7 grand final wins with the academy, fixed our defence on his return as assistant, has relevant qualifications.

People would be foaming at the mouth if it was announced that a Aussie assistant who was responsible for a clubs brilliant defence and when coaching the reserves won 6 out of 7 finals was coming on board.

Give the guy a chance."[/i

See you've done it again - think I hate IL and KR based on one particular issue, then followed it up with a generalisation that because I have a difference of opinion on the appointment, I "won't give the club any credit for anything". No wonder you've been struggling with someone having an alternative point of view when you put people into a particular camp on so little evidence. Let's face it, no mater what my reasons you put me in the "hate IL/KR", "won't give the club any credit for anything" team because my opinion on this is different from yours.

And you've avoided answering the question again and come up with more . (the swear filter will get me here but there you go)

I can't help you if you have a problem with me having a different view from you. Others disagree with me, stated so and why, but none have felt the need to lie about me hating individuals at the club or not giving the club credit for anything. They didn't feel the need to make things up because we had differing opinions.

Any idea what happened with Peet at Sale? He was barely there long enough to have a serious impact.

I’m not fully convinced either being totally honest but I fully agree, there has to be boundaries and limitations both ways

It’s not really euphoric but I see your point. That team (bar Briers) isn’t who I’d have chosen to be brutally honest, you’re description re disappointed fans is fairly accurate and I’d be an outright liar if I didn’t say I was a little disappointed we hadn’t gone for more experience.

That being said this coaching team, whether it’s who we’d chosen or not, whether we’re disappointed or euphoric deserves our full backing and support. Ultimately we don’t have a crystal ball, would a proven coach have worked? There’s a chance, and a good one at that, it wouldn’t. Will this work? I’d say there’s about that same chance.

You may be right with your last comment, as disingenuous as it was intended to be. But if this is who we have gone for, and it works, it’s an absolute master stroke from IFL and KR. And even you would have to admit it.

My take is, I'll be satisfied if we at least play some reasonably attractive attacking rugby, that makes going to games a pleasure to look forward to, not something undertaken more out of a sense of duty. Lets face it, ball in hand on the attack, we were terrible this year. Opposing defences coped with us with ease. In fact, it was probably the easiest gig they had all year.

No exaggeration to say that I’m struggling to think of a worse attacking team I’ve seen in my 30+ years watching the game. I watch football and rugby and I’ve sat watching Wigan Athletic at times thinking ‘we’ve no chance of a goal here’ especially in the premier league at places like Old Trafford or Anfield but the last few months of this season watching the rugby was the first time I’ve sat thinking the same in this sport. It’s far easier to score a try than it is a goal in football, so you accept the odd 0-0 here and there in football but it was a weird feeling in the rugby. I sat at Hull away and the Leeds semi fully expecting the games to finish 0-0. That Leeds semi probably would’ve done had Halsall been on the wing.

It should be an absolute doddle for Peet to improve on that. He’s probably in a fortunate position in some ways because if we average 15-16 points per game next season, the fans will think he’s a genius.

I don't think there's any danger of the fans thinking Peet is a genius, and although, as you say,[i It should be an absolute doddle for Peet to improve on that[/i, realistically, Peet is going to be hampered by a lukewarm reception from the start. For my part, I'll wish the coaching team all the best and hope for better things next season (can hardly be worse, surely?), and I am heartened by the inclusion of Briers.

It is tongue in cheek but realistically he isn’t coming in to the environment that Lam came in to. We were champions at that point and people expect that to just carry on, even though you’ve lost Wane, Tomkins, Bateman and Sutton and not replaced them properly. That’s not a defence of Lam, he was dreadful but at least Peet comes in to a club now where people (like you said above) are going ‘well I’ll be happy if it’s at least more entertaining than last season’. His appointment may bring mixed views but if we show some early signs of recovery, he’ll start to build goodwill pretty quickly IMO. He’s a proper Wiganer Matty Peet, a normal lad from Hindley and I wish him nothing but the best.

Of course I fully agree, but many fans may not share our view. At this time of year, after the NRL GF and the SL final at the weekend, it always seems a long few months for me until the new seasons start up, glumly watching rugby union highlights shows (and if ever a sport benefited from 'highlights', it is union!), hoping to see the occasional bit of flair (which you do, occasionally, from time to time, to be fair). I would say, too, that I've read a lot of comments lately about 'the ever-declining standard of Superleague', but it does seem to me that those words ring a little hollow if coming from fans whose team only manage 15 points per game. Much better to criticise the standard when you're at the top, isn't it? So let's achieve that standard before we decry it too much!

Having watched Mat Peet interview on Wigan TV he comes over as confident person. He wants to get the best out of players if he thinks they are slacking he said that they will told they have to improve. He did say if they dont want to wear the Wigan shirt with pride then they will be shown the door .He wants to integrate more with the Wigan public both on and off the field .He has inherited a lot of Wanes attitude and it was him who wanted Lee Briars as coach having worked with at International colts level.in ILs he is hailing the coaching set up as a new venture there are no backs coach and forwards coach both Lockers and Briers are both assistants and will be picking the team together.

Lets be honest here. Wane wanted the job and wigan wanted him but given the playing roster he knew it would be pointless and damaging to his CV as even Wane couldnt do anything with such a poor team

So Peet takes over in the interim with Wane assembling the squad he wants over the next 2 to 3 years. Then Peet gets sacked once Wane has his ready assembled squad.

Peet gets some valuable first team coaching experience so will be able to get a head coach position at someone like Wakey, Wane gets to coach a really good wigan squad.

Everyones happy!