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| Quote: Jukesays "You also Wrote this!
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Got to be honest i've literally just finished watching the replay and was going to come on and post how suprised i was at Fieldens level of preformence.
Watching it closer and out of the heat of the moment he got us some momentum in the 2nd half by constantly finding his front and not getting turned on his back. He didn't made many metres at all but didn't get dominated either.
He did however miss a couple of poor tackles in the first half and made a handling error but overall his preformence was decent.
He can preform so much better for us though. I'd just like to see him look more 'up' for games.
He looks very flat at the moment.
Lets just get something straight about this, Fielden is what 60/70% of the player of 3/4 years ago?????
His wages are whatever they are, we can't do anything about that and irrespective of What we are paying a player I try to look at whether he actually deserves a place in the team.
Fielden I admit has been a disappointment compared to the Very High expectations we ALL had of him.
HOWEVER
There are many things he does bring to the team that aren't "Special" but are needed by the team to make us more effective and these things are often not the Eye Catching things that are Noticed ala Bailey/O'Loughlin
Theres no doubt he's covering Fekas backside in the tackling department and the partnership they seem to have is working in that we no longer seem to look vulnerable just before & Just after HT when Feka is usually on.
His yards per carry arent actually any different than what they have been for the past 5 or 6 seasons inc the season he was ajudged Best forward in the world!
He is making more tackles per game than he has at Any Time in his career and Pro Rata (Considering he's only playing 45/55 minutes each week now comapred to 80 minutes in 2004/2005/2006/2007) He is Averaging Massively more per game.
I believe the Only part of the game (And I admit it was probably the Part we bought him for!) is the Attacking/breaking the line prop of 2005 early 2006!
According to the Stats he used to make 14/15 Clean Breaks a season at bradford, Whilst at Wigan he's made 4 in 3 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!
However he's now averaging 25/26 tackles a game when only playing what 50mins a game???
He used to average 21/22 tackles a game when playing 80!!!!!!!!
Overall
A disappointment - Yes!
Has he shirked the workload - No!
And given he's probably taking a lot of Payback from other forwards he has dished it out to over the years he's still there week in week out and very rarely misses a game in a Sport where he could find an excuse/injury Not to play each week and collect his money without trying!'"
Very interesting points you have raised here - surprising too!
I think you've just thrown a spanner in the works   |
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "Very interesting points you have raised here - surprising too!
I think you've just thrown a spanner in the works ![]()
Really? Sounds to me like you're paying mega bucks for a player who does what a kid like Paul Clough does for Saints, probably for a 5th of the cash.
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Really? Sounds to me like you're paying mega bucks for a player who does what a kid like Paul Clough does for Saints, probably for a 5th of the cash.'"
Yes really. I wouldn't of thought his metres gained per carry would be more or less on par with his one's at Bradford, nor would of thought his work in defence would be higher than his Bradford days.
It's not to say we should keep him nor am I trying to make out he's a world beater but it certainly does make surprising reading. |
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "misconception on your part. Namely, that Fielden and feka are a pair thay play together to produce a single player. A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.
It is a misconception on your part because Fielden has not always come off the reserve bench alongside Feka. Very often Fielden started games until recently and of course when Feka goes off the field of play, Fielden is still there.
Even allowing for your misconception how is Jamie Peacock able to do both parts of the props job specification and Stuart Fielden can only do 1 or neither'"
Why is it mis conception?
1.Does Fielden come one with Feka. Yes
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2.Does Fielden do more tackling when he is on the field than Feka. Yes.
3.Does Feka do 2 / 3 big runs tires then gets targeted in defence. Yes
4.Is Fielden hated because how much he cost? Yes.
Is the Leeds pack line of, Peacock, Burgess, Leuluai, Lauitiiti, Bailey & Buchcanan, better than ours? IMO yes.
Would Fielden play better in a big pack like Leeds and Warrington than he does in a light weight pack like ours. IMO yes.
Look at S. Burgess had a very good year the other year in a big Bradford pack, not had a good year in a light weight pack this year.
The 1st 4 points are fact, the others are my opinion. You can agree or disagree that's what a debate is about, but you cant doubt Facts. |
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.
It is a misconception on your part because Fielden has not always come off the reserve bench alongside Feka. Very often Fielden started games until recently and of course when Feka goes off the field of play, Fielden is still there.
Even allowing for your misconception how is Jamie Peacock able to do both parts of the props job specification and Stuart Fielden can only do 1 or neither'"
I presume you know that for certain?
I mean, you would lose any credibility you haven't got if you quoted that without actually knowing, wouldn't you? |
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| Quote: Jukesays "You also Wrote this!
NickyKiss Wrote
Got to be honest i've literally just finished watching the replay and was going to come on and post how suprised i was at Fieldens level of preformence.
Watching it closer and out of the heat of the moment he got us some momentum in the 2nd half by constantly finding his front and not getting turned on his back. He didn't made many metres at all but didn't get dominated either.
He did however miss a couple of poor tackles in the first half and made a handling error but overall his preformence was decent.
He can preform so much better for us though. I'd just like to see him look more 'up' for games.
He looks very flat at the moment.
Lets just get something straight about this, Fielden is what 60/70% of the player of 3/4 years ago?????
His wages are whatever they are, we can't do anything about that and irrespective of What we are paying a player I try to look at whether he actually deserves a place in the team.
Fielden I admit has been a disappointment compared to the Very High expectations we ALL had of him.
HOWEVER
There are many things he does bring to the team that aren't "Special" but are needed by the team to make us more effective and these things are often not the Eye Catching things that are Noticed ala Bailey/O'Loughlin
Theres no doubt he's covering Fekas backside in the tackling department and the partnership they seem to have is working in that we no longer seem to look vulnerable just before & Just after HT when Feka is usually on.
His yards per carry arent actually any different than what they have been for the past 5 or 6 seasons inc the season he was ajudged Best forward in the world!
He is making more tackles per game than he has at Any Time in his career and Pro Rata (Considering he's only playing 45/55 minutes each week now comapred to 80 minutes in 2004/2005/2006/2007) He is Averaging Massively more per game.
I believe the Only part of the game (And I admit it was probably the Part we bought him for!) is the Attacking/breaking the line prop of 2005 early 2006!
According to the Stats he used to make 14/15 Clean Breaks a season at bradford, Whilst at Wigan he's made 4 in 3 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!
However he's now averaging 25/26 tackles a game when only playing what 50mins a game???
He used to average 21/22 tackles a game when playing 80!!!!!!!!
Overall
A disappointment - Yes!
Has he shirked the workload - No!
And given he's probably taking a lot of Payback from other forwards he has dished it out to over the years he's still there week in week out and very rarely misses a game in a Sport where he could find an excuse/injury Not to play each week and collect his money without trying!'"
Its good to see a thought through reply.
Rather than gets paid too much + Yorkie + Not Feka + Not a crowd pleaser = Crap |
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| Quote: XBrettKennyX "I presume you know that for certain?
I mean, you would lose any credibility you haven't got if you quoted that without actually knowing, wouldn't you?'"
The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.
The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation. |
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.
The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.'"
What a strange poster you appear to be. You think Feka and Fielden are a single player.
How odd.
Does that mean if the opposition break through the tackle of one of them, the other has to step aside and allow them to run through?
Maybe they are not allowed to pass to one another, or have to take it in turns to pack down in the scrum?
I have heard seen some tripe being posted on here over the years. You have only been on 2 minutes and are already making a play for the top 10. |
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.
The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.'"
Yeah because I'm sure Mick Hogan would disclose that kind of information . I highly doubt if he would even know it - he works in the marketing department not payroll as far as I'm aware.
Also given Farrell was our highest earner before leaving on £166,667 per year (£1m 6 year contract) if I remember correctly, I would be very disappointed if Fielden and Feka's combined salaries were above £300k. I would like to think it was more in the £200-250k region at most. |
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| Quote: The Wigan Observer "The irony BK. I do find it disrespectful that you took the name of a club legend yet behave as you do in his name.
The combined salary of Fielden and Feka is nearly between 400,000 and 500,000 per season. Ask Mick Hogan if you want confirmation.'"
Call it 450k then!!!
Jesus H Christ!!!!! Noble & IL are not doing a bad job getting the other 23 or so players in the other 1.15 million are they!!!!!!
So 2 x players are taking over a Qtr of the wage bill?? Whilst 23 players take under 3qtrs!!!!!!!!
No wonder theres such a bad feeling at the club!!!!!!!
Considering Bailey's on 200k a year and Gleeson is getting 150k a year along with Tommy/Richards/Riddell/Roberts!
That leaves about 100k for the other 15 players inc Phelps/Carmont/Smith before his injury/Hock before his supension/Coley/Goulding/Hansen/J Tomkins/Prescott/Pryce etc etc etc!!!!!!!!
They must be playing for Peanuts then!!!!!!
Unless that is no-one REALLY knows how much they are getting!!!!!
I wonder which one of the stories is true!  |
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| Quote: jjb10 "Why is it mis conception?
1.Does Fielden come one with Feka. Yes
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2.Does Fielden do more tackling when he is on the field than Feka. Yes.
3.Does Feka do 2 / 3 big runs tires then gets targeted in defence. Yes
4.Is Fielden hated because how much he cost? Yes.
Is the Leeds pack line of, Peacock, Burgess, Leuluai, Lauitiiti, Bailey & Buchcanan, better than ours? IMO yes.
Would Fielden play better in a big pack like Leeds and Warrington than he does in a light weight pack like ours. IMO yes.
Look at S. Burgess had a very good year the other year in a big Bradford pack, not had a good year in a light weight pack this year.
The 1st 4 points are fact, the others are my opinion. You can agree or disagree that's what a debate is about, but you cant doubt Facts.'"
Can somebody explain to JJB what a fact is
Since Wigan played Salford in the CC QF, the starting props for Wigan have been Coley and Prescott. That is a fact Stuart Fielden was absent for the CC QF, suspended?
For the last 6 game Wigan have played Feka and Fielden have been on the reserve bench That is a fact
Fielden has started games on 3 occasions with Feka. He has started as many games with O’Carroll in preference to Feka. He has started more games with Coley, 8 Those are facts.
So we can conclude that because you can only recall the most recent games you initial premise is a misconception because it is incorrect.
That is a fact |
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Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
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| Quote: MattyB "MH is our Chief Exec so I'm sure he would know, though I very highly doubt he would disclose salaries on here.'"
No, but if you just ask him in the street like Wigan Observer has he'll just tell you everyone's salary!!!!!!!!!!
How Nice of him is that!!!!!!!! |
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