Yeah I meant more on here. We got lots of credit from across the game and I understand your frustration that French's achievements were overlooked in a way due to our win. On any other night his 7 tries would have been way more headline news in the RL press than it was.

Mate, I don't care if Nelson Mandela thinks it. What relevance is that? There is a gap as I say. You need to win something to close the gap on us having already won one of the 2 major trophies. That's an actual, quantifiable gap, not an hypothetical one based on opinion.

Ok I'll stop here as we are going round in circles so this is my last post on the subject.

You'll also be pleased to know that I go away in a few days so won't be posting for a while

Ok. So before the PL season finished are the teams that knocked City out of the FA Cup and Carling Cup a better team than City? ( I can't remember who did) Please answer that one for me.

No, because City won the championship. Until they did it was purely opinion as Liverpool could be said to have had the most trophy aspirations.

In fact this is a great example as I don't know a single Liverpool supporter who thought City were a better side.

I say there’s a gap pal and I think there is but it’s not a gap that’s terminal for our chances this season. I think we can beat them in the play offs or a Grand Final, I really do. Any debate over a gap becomes irrelevant if we can nail a performance against them in a Grand Final. We just need to make sure we get 2nd spot and give ourselves that chance.

That's interesting. So if we beat them to win the Grand Final are we the better side in your eyes? What exactly would it take for you to regard us as the better side?

I think I’ll regard us as the better side when we go in to games against them as the favourites. I don’t think we’ve been favourites with the bookies in a game against them since Waney left. The bookies aren’t daft and aren’t biased either way.

We could win a Grand Final against them and still not be regarded as the overall better team IMO. There are just too many variables. Injuries, suspensions, a bounce of a ball or dare we say it, a red card in the first 5 minutes! Saints beat us in the 2014 Grand Final for example but nobody could convince me that they were a better side than us overall.

so have we decided who is the bestest team yet?

Ashton Bears

Huddersfield, absolutely battered us in the cup final

This,it is Stains that need to close the gap as we are the only ones to win a trophy this year

Big game for us on Sunday now. If we beat Wakefield that gap is definitely closing to Wigan.

You’re better than that Stu , big lesson for Wigan tonight, similar to Magic.. all valuable stuff come September hopefully. One of those days that happened under both Maguire and Wane. As I’ve said before, rightly or wrongly, each regular season game is worth 2 points. What really matters is playing we’ll come play off time.