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| Quote: NickyKiss "Are you talking about the Wigan fans respecting it or across the game? If it’s the latter, I’ve seen so much praise for Saints post last Friday. Some of the media guys like Matt Shaw and Aaron Bower we’re lauding it and saying it confirmed Saints place as the best of all time. I thought that was OTT but that would go back to the general quality across the sport at the minute in comparison to a decade ago.
If it’s regards to us praising it, I can’t give it loads because I didn’t see it as I was at the Wigan game. Maybe it’s my biased eyes but there seems to have been very little fuss made this week of a guy who broke a 20 year old try scoring record. The game needs to be better at that IMO.'"
Yeah I meant more on here. We got lots of credit from across the game and I understand your frustration that French's achievements were overlooked in a way due to our win. On any other night his 7 tries would have been way more headline news in the RL press than it was.
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| Quote: Stu M "Despite the fact that some of your fans also feel there is a gap?
Yes toothless in rugby terms is an inability to score points. Thats not been in question.
Is an inability to score points also not reflective of the oppositions defence? Still waiting for your answer on this one.'"
Mate, I don't care if Nelson Mandela thinks it. What relevance is that? There is a gap as I say. You need to win something to close the gap on us having already won one of the 2 major trophies. That's an actual, quantifiable gap, not an hypothetical one based on opinion.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "I gave it to you when I said your Huddersfield performance was outstanding. What exactly are you waiting for?
If our definitions of toothless are the same, why do you object to me using the term in a situation that fits both our definitions?'"
Ok I'll stop here as we are going round in circles so this is my last post on the subject.
You'll also be pleased to know that I go away in a few days so won't be posting for a while
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| Quote: Stu M "Ok I'll stop here as we are going round in circles so this is my last post on the subject.
You'll also be pleased to know that I go away in a few days so won't be posting for a while
Yay!
In all seriousness, have a great holiday.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Mate, I don't care if Nelson Mandela thinks it. What relevance is that? There is a gap as I say. You need to win something to close the gap on us having already won one of the 2 major trophies. That's an actual, quantifiable gap, not an hypothetical one based on opinion.'"
Ok. So before the PL season finished are the teams that knocked City out of the FA Cup and Carling Cup a better team than City? ( I can't remember who did) Please answer that one for me.
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| Quote: Stu M "Ok. So before the PL season finished are the teams that knocked City out of the FA Cup and Carling Cup a better team than City? ( I can't remember who did) Please answer that one for me.'"
No, because City won the championship. Until they did it was purely opinion as Liverpool could be said to have had the most trophy aspirations.
In fact this is a great example as I don't know a single Liverpool supporter who thought City were a better side.
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Not criticising your opinion NK. You're entitled to it as Egg is. However it's just an opinion. My opinion is that nothing has been sorted one way or the other and we're the ones with the trophy in the cabinet beating them on the way to winning it, so the only gap to be closed this season so far is them needing to win something. Everything else is just opinion and hot air.'"
I say there’s a gap pal and I think there is but it’s not a gap that’s terminal for our chances this season. I think we can beat them in the play offs or a Grand Final, I really do. Any debate over a gap becomes irrelevant if we can nail a performance against them in a Grand Final. We just need to make sure we get 2nd spot and give ourselves that chance.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I say there’s a gap pal and I think there is but it’s not a gap that’s terminal for our chances this season. I think we can beat them in the play offs or a Grand Final, I really do. Any debate over a gap becomes irrelevant if we can nail a performance against them in a Grand Final. We just need to make sure we get 2nd spot and give ourselves that chance.'"
That's interesting. So if we beat them to win the Grand Final are we the better side in your eyes? What exactly would it take for you to regard us as the better side?
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| Quote: Phuzzy "That's interesting. So if we beat them to win the Grand Final are we the better side in your eyes? What exactly would it take for you to regard us as the better side?'"
I think I’ll regard us as the better side when we go in to games against them as the favourites. I don’t think we’ve been favourites with the bookies in a game against them since Waney left. The bookies aren’t daft and aren’t biased either way.
We could win a Grand Final against them and still not be regarded as the overall better team IMO. There are just too many variables. Injuries, suspensions, a bounce of a ball or dare we say it, a red card in the first 5 minutes! Saints beat us in the 2014 Grand Final for example but nobody could convince me that they were a better side than us overall.
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| so have we decided who is the bestest team yet?
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""so have we decided who is the bestest team yet?'"
Ashton Bears
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| Quote: [Gareth] ""so have we decided who is the bestest team yet?'"
Huddersfield, absolutely battered us in the cup final
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Not criticising your opinion NK. You're entitled to it as Egg is. However it's just an opinion. My opinion is that nothing has been sorted one way or the other and we're the ones with the trophy in the cabinet beating them on the way to winning it, so the only gap to be closed this season so far is them needing to win something. Everything else is just opinion and hot air.'"
This,it is Stains that need to close the gap as we are the only ones to win a trophy this year
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| Quote: Jason65 "This,it is Stains that need to close the gap as we are the only ones to win a trophy this year'"
Big game for us on Sunday now. If we beat Wakefield that gap is definitely closing to Wigan.
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| Quote: Stu M "Big game for us on Sunday now. If we beat Wakefield that gap is definitely closing to Wigan.'"
You’re better than that Stu , big lesson for Wigan tonight, similar to Magic.. all valuable stuff come September hopefully. One of those days that happened under both Maguire and Wane. As I’ve said before, rightly or wrongly, each regular season game is worth 2 points. What really matters is playing we’ll come play off time.
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