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| Quote The_Enforcer="The_Enforcer"You implied that i was saying that signing Burgess was a cock up, i wasnt saying that at all, i was just trying to point out that he isnt going to be the wrecking ball that he was years ago and he alone isnt going to fix our problems. Clubb will still be Clubb and Flower will still be Flower and they will be a year older than they are now.
Bullock has potential but he is another that is panting after 5 minutes and theres a noticeable drop off in the intensity of his drives. We're also losing Sarginson and nobody can deny the amount of work he does to help the forwards, they should give him half of their wages. I would rather of kept Sarge and lost Clubb to be honest. I could accept Flower as he was putting in some satisfactory performances up until he got injured.
God only knows what Clark brings? We seem to of gone crazy to get his signature but nobody i speak to sees anything in him other than another project to add to Burgess, Partington and Byrne.
I wouldnt say im a glass half empty guy, i just prefer to keep expectations low, i find you dont end up as disappointed that way.'"
Great post. Hard to argue with.
Highlights a lot of truth.
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| Quote The_Enforcer="The_Enforcer"Its a discussion board. I thought we are all here to give opinions and debate not worship Lam, Rads and Lenagan as some grand wise old trio that cant be questioned.'"
Hold on, mate. You can't question someone that got rid of our most successful SL coach and replaced him with someone that has coached the desire and ability to beat Saints out of pretty much the same team.
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| To be honest, apart from Powell, I'm struggling to name anyone else in our pack who doesn't fall into one of four categories - too young, too old, too small or too injury prone.
Don't get me wrong, we've got some good players. Guys like Faz and Greenwood are, on certain days, as good as any other 2nd rows out there. Sadly they aren't dependable week in and week out.
Sadly the only consistent player we have is Isa, but I don't think he's that great.
We need a couple of big performers who do it week in week out. Sutton and Bateman for example churned out yards and played most weeks. I'm hoping that next year Faz, Greenwood and Burgess can be consistent as each should be a 100m + player.
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"To be honest, apart from Powell, I'm struggling to name anyone else in our pack who doesn't fall into one of four categories - too young, too old, too small or too injury prone.
Don't get me wrong, we've got some good players. Guys like Faz and Greenwood are, on there day, as good as any other 2nd rows out there. Sadly they aren't dependable week in and week out.
Sadly the only consistent player we have is Isa, but I don't think he's that great.
Week need a couple of big performers who do it week in week out. Sutton and Bateman for example churned out yards and played most weeks. I'm hoping that next year Faz, Greenwood and Burgess can be consistent as each should be a 100m + player.'"
Isa is consistent for his own standards, which aren't great. I feel sorry for him in many aspects; he plays with heart and aggression, but is too slow to be a good centre and don'ts have the size or go forward to be a top back rower.
He's ok as cover...no more.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Isa is consistent for his own standards, which aren't great. I feel sorry for him in many aspects; he plays with heart and aggression, but is too slow to be a good centre and don'ts have the size or go forward to be a top back rower.
He's ok as cover...no more.'"
I'd agree with that assessment.
It's no real wonder that we struggled to beat Saints when there's a few young guns in the side as well as Isa. The size simply isn't there to punch holes.
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"I'd agree with that assessment.
It's no real wonder that we struggled to beat Saints when there's a few young guns in the side as well as Isa. The size simply isn't there to punch holes.'"
Yeah pretty much. I'd have played Greenwood. I think he needs game time to rebuild his confidence in the collision. Once he finds his feet he's just what we need, big unit of a back rower.
Just need to stick with him.
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| It isn’t as black and white with Isa as saving he isn’t big enough and doesn’t make enough ground. He sets a tone, he’s aggressive, he’s durable and he’s as fit as a fiddle but he was absolutely dreadful on Friday and I can’t deny that. We need more go forward and Greenwood is the only forward I can think of who’ll guarantee that, so with that in mind I’d bench Isa but he’s the type of character who’ll react to that and still play a big part on Friday and beyond. He wasn’t too small to give Sene Lefao an absolute battering a few weeks back and it was relentless pummelling that played the biggest part in him losing his head.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"It isn’t as black and white with Isa as saving he isn’t big enough and doesn’t make enough ground. He sets a tone, he’s aggressive, he’s durable and he’s as fit as a fiddle but he was absolutely dreadful on Friday and I can’t deny that. We need more go forward and Greenwood is the only forward I can think of who’ll guarantee that, so with that in mind I’d bench Isa but he’s the type of character who’ll react to that and still play a big part on Friday and beyond. He wasn’t too small to give Sene Lefao an absolute battering a few weeks back and it was relentless pummelling that played the biggest part in him losing his head.'"
I'd probably argue that setting the tone isn't enough, especially if there's already a couple of other undersized lads in the squad. Someone has to make the metres.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"We’re so reactionary as fans to a defeat (me included as I’ve proposed all sorts of change for Friday) Saying guys like Clubb and Flower are finished just feels like that to me. It was only a couple of months ago that Clubb was carrying the front row but he needs to learn he can put a shift in even when we’ve got experienced heads back in the team. As for Flower he started this season really well then he had a bad back injury, followed by a knee problem and now he’s lacking match sharpness. It’s a shame that the timing is poor but that’s the way it is and hopefully he’ll be better this Friday for the run out last Friday.
Clubb needs a rocket up his backside in ore season and hopefully increased competition will provide that but I’m pretty happy to have him and Flower in a group of props alongside George Burgess, Clark, Bullock, Partington, Byrne and Havard and believe that’s a good set of props to go forward with. It has a nice mixture of youth and experience.'"
Great post.
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| Quote Suzy Banyon="Suzy Banyon"Hold on, mate. You can't question someone that got rid of our most successful SL coach and replaced him with someone that has coached the desire and ability to beat Saints out of pretty much the same team.'"
It was 2-1 to Saints last season.
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| Quote Wigg'n="Wigg'n"It was 2-1 to Saints last season.'"
And throughout Wane’s tenure we played Saints 17 times. We won 8 and they won 9 of our encounters.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"And throughout Wane’s tenure we played Saints 17 times. We won 8 and they won 9 of our encounters.'"
Whats Lams record?
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