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Quote: chissitt "He's not going to get a shot in his favoured position thanks to Mr Wane and his false promises.
How is it worth stopping at Wigan and plugging away when you don't see him getting a shot? Powell told him when he went to Cas that he would have to take his chances when they came along, he was moved from the halves to full back when Dorn got injured, and fwiw neither his dad or his agent have wrongly advised him.'"


Ah ... so it's his dad who's advising him to leave Wigan?

Well, I suppose that's that then.

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Quote: Cruncher "Ah ... so it's his dad who's advising him to leave Wigan?

Well, I suppose that's that then.'"

I suppose on the basis of your last post, it's not difficult to see how you come up with five when you add two and two together.
You do the lad a great disservice by implying that he's not capable of making his own decisions.

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Hampshire isn't tough enough for SW.
If your tough and try your in even if you are incapable of making a break - Isa being the classic example of this. How many games has he played and how many breaks has he made? How Wigan fans have written Isa off? Why aren't Wigan fans writing Isa off because he has had far more opportunities than Hampshire and has done jack shoite so far this season.

SW's general attitude towards backs was mildly funny in the beginning but now I find it quite alarming particularly if we bring in Carney yet another Southern Hemisphere player with zip between his ears but who will run through a brick wall.

Gregson looks a decent sort but has zero speed and offers very little to the halfs particularly with Smith there as well. They must be the slowest pairing in our history but SW seems totally oblivious.
Wakefield if they can tackle are nailed on for Sunday and unless we get some players back Cas will fancy their chances next week. Could be a profitable double.

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Quote: Pieman "he never took his ball home, just not rated by wane and he wants to play.'"

I will never know what the truth is but the obverse is that those calling for him to included must have been asking for somebody else to be dropped. To hear Wigan fans demanding that the then England halves be moved aside seemed a bit perverse. We would have been negligent not to have tied Smith and Williams down to long term contracts but the upshot was that Rocky was never going to get the chance he craved with us. I have no doubt that he will become a competent professional but at this point he has not earned the right to set his own terms. Wane does not rate him, and that may be his weakness as a manager, but at the end of the day he makes the decisions. If I was Rocky I would accept that he has been the victim of circumstance and look to do what I think is best for myself, which is probably to go to where I could play in my favoured position.

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Quote: Levrier "I will never know what the truth is but the obverse is that those calling for him to included must have been asking for somebody else to be dropped. To hear Wigan fans demanding that the then England halves be moved aside seemed a bit perverse. We would have been negligent not to have tied Smith and Williams down to long term contracts but the upshot was that Rocky was never going to get the chance he craved with us. I have no doubt that he will become a competent professional but at this point he has not earned the right to set his own terms. Wane does not rate him, and that may be his weakness as a manager, but at the end of the day he makes the decisions. If I was Rocky I would accept that he has been the victim of circumstance and look to do what I think is best for myself, which is probably to go to where I could play in my favoured position.'"

Yep, he could still be recalled now, if Wane wanted to; instead he prefers to play Gregson in the position, which seems to send a clear message.

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Quote: chissitt "He's not going to get a shot in his favoured position thanks to Mr Wane and his false promises.
How is it worth stopping at Wigan and plugging away when you don't see him getting a shot? Powell told him when he went to Cas that he would have to take his chances when they came along, he was moved from the halves to full back when Dorn got injured, and fwiw neither his dad or his agent have wrongly advised him.'"



So if everyone is so unhappy with Wigan who twisted his arm to sign that three year contract only a few months ago.

That I don't understand.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Hampshire isn't tough enough for SW.
If your tough and try your in even if you are incapable of making a break - Isa being the classic example of this. How many games has he played and how many breaks has he made? How Wigan fans have written Isa off? Why aren't Wigan fans writing Isa off because he has had far more opportunities than Hampshire and has done jack shoite so far this season.

SW's general attitude towards backs was mildly funny in the beginning but now I find it quite alarming particularly if we bring in Carney yet another Southern Hemisphere player with zip between his ears but who will run through a brick wall.

Gregson looks a decent sort but has zero speed and offers very little to the halfs particularly with Smith there as well. They must be the slowest pairing in our history but SW seems totally oblivious.
Wakefield if they can tackle are nailed on for Sunday and unless we get some players back Cas will fancy their chances next week. Could be a profitable double.'"


What the f*ck are you on about? Isa's played what, 5 games for us? and probably 4 of them off the bench!

Honestly, Hampshire's fan boys are f*cking unbearable. He's so overrated on here.

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Quote: chissitt "I suppose on the basis of your last post, it's not difficult to see how you come up with five when you add two and two together.
You do the lad a great disservice by implying that he's not capable of making his own decisions.'"


I rate Ryan highly, on the basis of having watched him all through his junior days and seeming him shine in one of the best youth teams in the UK.

You brought his dad into it, not me.

My assumption was that, as usual, a money-grubbing agent would be behind his desire to leave. You are aware that it is not in an agent's interest to have a settled player? But if his dad is involved as well, that will be a much harder thing for Wigan to overcome.

If Ryan is making his own decisions, then he should be advised to chill out and look to the future. Powell is no guru and Cas are not Wigan.

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I don't understand this massive Hampshire love in with the Wigan fans.Hes never done it for the first team and I really don't believe that every other member on this forum watches the juniors.
I have always had big hopes for him off what other members of this forum have said but he's never once impressed me.
It seems like it's time for him and a lot of fans to move on.

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Quote: PurpleCheeseWarrior "What the f*ck are you on about? Isa's played what, 5 games for us? and probably 4 of them off the bench!

Honestly, Hampshire's fan boys are f*cking unbearable. He's so overrated on here.'"

Richardhead I was exaggerating to prove a point.
Get a grip you soft lad.
It's ok to knock Hampshire because sir SW thinks he is shoite but to criticise anyone who SW "rates" is sacrilege . Get a grip and get your own thoughts and opinions.
SW doesn't walk on water he is human and will make mistakes. His mantra is toughness which is great but will only get you you so far. Our style of play is appalling and maybe just maybe someone who is different and who has pace just might and I state just might be the answer.
You lap up Smith and Gregson at halfback good luck to you but it won't work and it won't bring in the crowds.
By the way Ias I believe has started most matches. Tell me what is so good about him that SW can't wait tell us about his injuries but says jack shoite about Williams being injured?

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Quote: CobraCraig "I don't understand this massive Hampshire love in with the Wigan fans.Hes never done it for the first team and I really don't believe that every other member on this forum watches the juniors.
I have always had big hopes for him off what other members of this forum have said but he's never once impressed me.
It seems like it's time for him and a lot of fans to move on.'"


I don't think it's a "massive love in" to prefer trying him over an untried academy second rower or a loose forward who is much more valuable in his proper position.

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Quote: MattyB "So if everyone is so unhappy with Wigan who twisted his arm to sign that three year contract only a few months ago.

That I don't understand.'"

He didn't sign a new 3 year contract Matty, he signed an extension to his existing contract to make up the 3 years.

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Quote: chissitt "He didn't sign a new 3 year contract Matty, he signed an extension to his existing contract to make up the 3 years.'"


Ok, read the detail wrong. The question still stands though, why would he sign if so unhappy?

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Quote: Cruncher "You brought his dad into it, not me.

My assumption was that, as usual, a money-grubbing agent would be behind his desire to leave. You are aware that it is not in an agent's interest to have a settled player? But if his dad is involved as well, that will be a much harder thing for Wigan to overcome.

If Ryan is making his own decisions, then he should be advised to chill out and look to the future. Powell is no guru and Cas are not Wigan.'"

Yes I did bring his dad and his agent into it, but only in the context of your assumption that somebody was giving him bad advice, it would be a poor show if his dad didn't show concern for the future and well being of his son, but that's as far as it goes and I'm sure his agent Andy Clark also has his best interest at heart, perhaps instead of questioning Ryan's motives in all this you might look closer to home inside the club.
Not sure where Powell fits into this, all he did was give the lad a chance with no guarantees, so I would say it looks like he is looking to the future, and It's plainly obvious Cas are no Wigan so why compare them.

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Quote: MattyB "So if everyone is so unhappy with Wigan who twisted his arm to sign that three year contract only a few months ago.

That I don't understand.'"


If Rocky had not signed the extension he would not have been allowed to leave on loan.

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