Kieron Cunningham received no ban whatsoever when he forearmed a player in the face whilst on the floor, and fractured said player's eye-socket (Stosic of Wakefield). No ban, no threat of police, for what was a far worse incident. It is just a shame that Flower didn't keep his composure, because he's NOT a dirty player, far from it; but had he done so it should have been St Helens down to 12 men for the match, and I suspect they would have lost by more than 40 points.

Why would they need to look at the number of times "they get close to stepping over the line"? I don't see your point. The line is drawn where it is for a reason (i.e. that it isn't foul play) so why should they look at addressing play that's within the rules of the game. Shall we also look at addressing incidents that were close to being cited? And then incidents that were nearly close to being cited? Then incidents that were almost nearly close to....well I think you get the point! The rules are set out. Play within them and that is fine regardless of what some fans perceive. To be perfectly frank, if we listened and, God forbid, acted on what some fans perceived we'd have Ben Flower arrested and put in jail (and even worse!) by now.

Maybe we should use this as a yard stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI

Maybe we should use this as a yard stick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj57GvEj2DI

He's basically been on sky all week telling us it could be a big score and showing us his boring stats on how Wigan are better than saints.

He's gone AWOL now tho

Well, the season is over so he's hardly likely to be on sky is he? Maybe he'll pop up on the darts coverage with an apology to you all. His job is to present stats. That's a part of sky's coverage.

Stats are something we all use to back up our arguments from time to time. Wigan scored most points and conceded the least over the season, so the stats are likely to show Wigan as being better than the rest. FWIW I think the stats are overdone as the only one that counts is the score at he end of the game.

I personally am pleased for James Roby who for me should have been MoS. a hooker who plays the full 80 minutes, not someone who comes on when the defence is tiring. I am also pleased for Nathan Brown who shut all the hypocrites up on the Saints board who said he was no use. Likewise all the Saints 'fans' who said Wello should have retired. I think you should start a thread saying sorry to these guys because they delivered success and a good number of 'fans' were badly wrong.

Rumour is that he has been phoning Sky since the big game, demanding to be allowed to bore people with statistics about how wonderful Stains are...

We both know that will never happen. He's a goon until he dies and a very boring one at that.

Yet you seem to be missing him

To be honest, the tags of thugs and boring are probably a bit harsh.

The boring is a reference to the structured game that Wigan play ........ some fans prefer a more fluid, off the cuff, improvised style, where the ball carrier takes a few more risks.

The thug tag is probably because of their physical and aggressive tackling style; and is pssibly also linked to Wigan having had some notorious "hard men" over the years (Goodway, Skerrett, Newton etc); it might even be older fans remembering when Shaun Wane was a player, and in an era when a lot of biff was accepted, he could dish it out with the best of them.

As could many others, and yet I don't see the multitude of threads slagging off Warrington (Boyd, Cullen, et al) or Widnes (Mills. Sorenson, Tamati, etc) or St. Helens (Nickle, Fogerty, etc).

People are all of a sudden fixated with Wigan about thuggery, just like they have forever been fixated with then through jealousy.

Took a cursory look at the stains board, i don't like to hang around there too long as it make me feel grubby, banned anyway.... But, i failed to notice a single thread about LH's cowardly attack to the jaw of "Mr Flower power", which came as no surprise whatsoever. I thought it might have deserved a thread, due to it being an action which merited a ban.

I think the tags more than probably a bit harsh. Who are the teams that play with this off the cuff style? Every team I see have a structured way of playing. We have players who take risks with ball in hands, Sarginson, Gelling, Burgess, Bowen and Green spring to mind. Our style suits our players or visa versa. We scored the most tries as a team, and many from longe range, that suggests we have more to our attacking game than just set plays.

As for the thug tag. Every club have had their fair share of hard men. Most could give it out and take it. Despite all the statistics, no one has proved that we are a team of thugs as was banded about after the Grand Final.

On my OP, i asked about our tackling technique, asking if it is illegal? I have looked at the stats for this season, we made 8053 tackles as a team. How many of our players have been found guilty of a Cannonball tackle?

Sorry mate, but i'm not going there. I won't go to St. Helens unless there is a game on, so I'm not going to the board either.