I don’t think I’ve seen a post that says we didn’t do well to win?

We are significantly improved on the previous 3 years but still some way to go is my main point. I’m happy with our improvement on and off the pitch. I’m not expecting any silverware this season and I’m fine with that. We had regressed to a very poor club so to turn it around in a season would be expecting too much.

Currently we can’t seem to play at a high intensity for prolonged periods. It’s not a criticism it’s just an opinion that personally, I have. One of my frustrations is that Mago patently has the ability to help improve this but for whatever reason he can’t do it unless it’s in micro sections.
I think that Field is absolutely fantastic to watch. It’s a genuine pleasure to see the guy accelerate so effortlessly. We need more across the park when he doesn’t play well and when he still delivers if we are to compete with Saints and Catalan. For me that isn’t a criticism it’s currently just a fact.

I woke up this morning really pleased with the overall performance against a decent team and where we picked up injuries during the game. All I want to see is further improvement which I’m quite sure the squad can deliver. I’m pretty certain that Peet and his team will be giving backslaps for a good solid performance but will be looking and striving for improvements across the entire squad. I’m confident that further improvement will be delivered particularly when we get consistent dry pitches.

I’m going to Wakefield and Saints and it’s been a few seasons since I went to consecutive away games so as I say generally I’m happy with our progress.
I suppose I’m in the Lombardi camp. Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence.
I’ve always thought like that. I just can’t help it.

Agree.

I was critical at HT, but that probably came from somehow being behind after dominating territory etc. 2nd half, I thought we really took it to them.

Attack will improve when we figure out where Field and French fit in, but as you say we are on the right track.

I’m banging on about Mago’s minutes and I thought Clubb was dire at best.

Same person doing smart arris one sentence posts.

Looking at his stats he made more yards than every prop bar Havard, more carries than Byrne and the same number of carries as Olly P.

So are his minutes rubbish or is every other prop lazy?

It’s still 9 carries in 80 minutes of available game time.
Potentially Mago is our best prop therefore, I want our best prop on the field for maximum minutes.
I just can’t comprehend or accept, unless he is carrying an injury, why he can’t do more than 10 minute cameos.

I actually think that Mago could be a terrific player. I just find it frustrating that he can’t do more.
I’m not anti Mago as some posters will immediately leap to as any minor criticism is held up as an almost treasonous act.

I’m just an owd fart who happens to believe that a full time pro should be capable of playing a full 80 minutes if required to do so. It’s generally accepted for all positions except for props by the vast majority of fans, I just find it inexcusable that any player can’t do more than 10 minute stints.

Giving Clubb his last 2 year contract was probably the worst piece of cap management in the club’s history.

Good to engage EC.

Yes his minutes are poor. Statistically and factually I think that’s a given. I assume you don’t want him to play more minutes?
His actual ability I have zero qualms with. Potentially he could be something special. I just want more of it

How many minutes did Byrne do? How many tackles did each prop do?
How many games previously has he averaged 10 metres per carry.

He is hardly blowing out his backside or asking to come off, it is simply that is how Peet wants to use him. As JonH said, the momentum swings when he comes on.

If he's playing low minutes and putting in Clubb type stats then fair enough, but when he is on the field he is clearly the dominant prop.

I'd love him to do 20 min spells, I think he could, but Peet sees it different and so far we can have few complaints because it's working.

I get where you’re coming from but with a 5 prop rotation last night, there’s only so many minutes each player can get and only so many carries available to take. Looking at the 5 lads in total, they took in over 60 carries between them. That’s huge and whilst you probably want your guy who makes the most ground per carry to be on as long as possible, I think they feel the best way to use him is in short bursts.

I must admit in one game I wouldn’t mind seeing him start and then trying to get 50-60 minutes out of him, just to see if he can do it and not become a defensive target/weak link. Last night wouldn’t be that game and nor would Saints/Catalans etc but maybe against a team missing a few or struggling for form.

Why does Peet play his best attacking threat for 80 minutes but his best forward threat for 10 minute bursts?
It just sounds totally illogical to me.

Mago’s first stint was ruined by us coughing up possession. He had 1 set with the ball.

Watch how Hull defend Mago compared to our other props.

I’m not sure he is being utilised quite right yet, it seems he is being subbed by the clock, however he scares defences as he has a strong carry and also hands.

He is the X factor in our prop rotation. He should be introduced when the game dictates it.

100% agreed, although I do think/want to see bigger mins from him (not sure what the lack of mins is down too) if possible.

Every drive, he's making ground and takes 2+ players to pin him down. He's not being dominated and there's always the potential for the offload. I'm more than happy with what he's doing when he's on the pitch. If his engine can take it and he can do more mins, he'd be like our Papalii in some respects.

What I would say however is that, if I had a choice, I'd have players like Havard and Ellis over a Mago. Big, rangy & mobile lads who can do 60+ mins if needed. They suit our style of play more than what a Mago type player does.

The morning after the night before, a very good win, over on the FC board they're generally gutted as they and let's be fair most of us thought our pack would be in big trouble last night.
They stood up to be counted, I really hope Singleton can keep churning out performances like that most weeks instead of disappearing into his shell or doing something stupid. Havard is already making a hell of a difference despite only having a couple of games under his belt.
I thought Smith had probably his best game so far for us, his movement and timing of the pass for Field's first try was top drawer and his kicking game was bob on, either finding the grass or launching high enough to get a good line set plus having the confidence to set up the 2nd dg attempt after missing the 1st.
Looking ahead I just hope we put 4 3/4"s on the pitch against Wakey instead of shoe horning a 2nd rower in at centre, very tough game coming up especially considering our recent record at their place.

Absolutely mate. Last night wasn't the best we'll be this season but there was plenty to be proud of as a fan. I walked out of that stadium pleased to have seen a team giving their all, prepared to dig in and fight when it wasn't going their way and determined enough to find a way to win after twice being behind. They did the shirts proud and that's all we can ask.

There is clearly so much improvement in this team that comments like 'we're miles off' are insulting. Did we see Bevan French at his best last night or with a few games under his belt, in a settled position and running on the firm tracks of summer will he be an altogether different animal? Would Ellis, Thornley or KPP add to that performance or is there no point them coming back as they'll add nothing? Will we be running with the three quarter line we had last night for the rest of the season? Will Marshall only make it to half time most games or us be down to 2 subs? Were the 17 who took the field operating at the very top of their potential with no improvement in them?

And then the big one: Harry Smith is our 3rd choice half. You could argue that, if Field seizes his chance when played there that he'll be our 4th choice. The lad has only had 2 starts this season. He was better than both Cust and Gale last night. At the end he won us the game for the second time this season. Yet I come on here to see nothing but criticism! Name me a team with a better 3rd/4th choice half than Harry Smith!

Look on the Hull board. Virtually everyone is saying the better team on the night won but that their team put in a decent performance. Come on the Wigan board and you'd think we lost.

Mago is potentially our best prop and as another poster has said he has the X factor therefore, unless he is carrying an injury why wouldn’t you want him on the pitch for longer minutes?

As many agree we are a work in progress albeit we are definitely improving.
Currently our main sources as an attacking threat are Field and KPP plus Mago with their offload potential. The longer Mago is on the pitch the longer we have that offload threat. To me it’s as simple as that. It’s not rocket science or critiquing a player it’s just common sense.