One of those games sadly. Happened under Madge and loads of times under Wane too. I've also seen us do the same to far better Leeds sides than this Wigan one (Thomas Coyle anyone)..

The question now is about the response, attitude and what Peet can learn. It isn't hyperbole to say that certain players shouldn't play for us again.

We've rocked up tonight expecting a walkover, and got battered for showing that kind of arrogance.

Bad day at the office, it's a reminder that we can take a beating if we don't take a game seriously. They've played it like a cup, final, we've played it like it's a formality.

That VR call is the most blatantly incorrect decision I can remember.

What on earth is going on with officiating this season, absolutely shambolic.

absolutely bang on, said the same myself

It's almost as though the rest of the Wigan team have bought into the French/Field can win games mentallity because some of the rest of the team have been woefu with no ideas at all.

I have defended Isa in the past but he never ever breaks a first tackle which for someone who was/is a second row playing centre is shockingly bad. Faz has gone off the boil since his new contract and I think we have missed Bateman's drive and energy.

Think Peet will have a lot of work to do in training because that was a truly awful performance - so many players looked well off tonight.

Yup and I'm glad a Saints fan has said it too. I backed McManus when he said what he did post CC final. These things are more important than a rivalry as it's killing the sport.

I'm sure you'll get sneered at tho, as RL and a high % of fans seems stuck in the dark ages and can't bring itself to realise or acknowledge the games got an officiating issue.

Yeah, I agree and once we have gone behind we haven’t stuck to the basics. I hope Peet kicks them up the and this is the slack performance at the right time, it’s pulled us back to Catalans and Hudds.

And another soft try

If that's a dangerous tackle then it's time to call it a day with this sport

I can’t convince people to give the game another go when a tackle like the one French just did on Myler is penalised. I’m close to being done with the game now.

Absolutely nonsensical - I genuinely think both the officiating and disciplinary need sweeping changes. They are completely broken.

Shocking from Wigan tonight. Leeds played well. The way the commentators are going on though it’s like Leeds are the second coming of Jesus.

How do you think St Helen’s feel every time their players make a tackle on a kicker that’s impossible to pull out of and end up getting a ban?

Something has to change

Sometimes you just have to give credit to the opposition. Completely out enthused.

It was one of those nights where everything went wrong for us from poor passes, indiscipline with and without the ball, some poor ref and VR decisions, we looked impatient and disorganised.

I don’t know if we were just overconfident or complacent but we weren’t at the races today. We’ll played Leeds.

Can we all pray for Jason65 tonight please. He must be devasted that the greatest SL team ever in his eyes lost to a lower table team