It seems to be true unfortunatley. Full marks to the Wigan fans (espcecially Jukesays) who is standing upto to this and not trying to brush it off. As I've said previously it is a real shame.

I agree entirely.

well said pal

Due to the Taylor Report a fair few football/rugby league stadia, including the DW, were built all seater. Not being able to sit with your mates, or like minded people, has seriously diluted the atmosphere and not just at Wigan.

Previously, if you wanted to sing and stand at games, you congregated on a terrace and away you went. Now, it's pot luck who you're sat next to and whether you're in a part of the stand that gets behind the team more, in a vocal sense.

Had it not been for the Taylor Report, there would have been no need for the Brigantes to start up in the first place. Not knocking the original concept at all. It seemed to work well initially.

Fair play then to the new builds at places like Warrington and Saints where if you want to sit, you sit and if you want to stand (and sing a bit more) you stand. Common sense prevailed, but you get a bit of common sense if you move away from assocation football.

I was sat just to the left of the Brigantes at Huddersfield and the moronic drum banging made it sound like we were on a Boys Brigade outing. Singing at Rugby League should be spontaneous depending on the flow of the game, who's winning, who's losing, time left and so on. Never orchestrated.

I missed the smoke bomb and scuffles as I left bang on the hooter. I did have a great bit of banter with a young Giants fan and his dad in the Yorkshire Rose before the game. The sort of behaviour by the (few) Wigan 'fans' would have put that little fellow off and that's not we want in Rugby League at all.

Your a bell mate.

In terms of songs with bad language.. Although parents don't want their children to hear it, it will happen. The disliking of other fans the rivalry and in a minor way... The hatred. Is what makes derby games such as wire Vs Wigan, Wigan Vs Saints ect. Worth watching... It eeks atmosphere. Its how its created.

Now in NO WAY am I condoning hooliganism, Foul language, or saying families or young children should not attend the games if they don't like it. All I am saying is that's what happens. Its always happened.

If every club had a family stand then children or people who don't want to hear foul language would not be subject to it. But at the same time I can understand why people shouldn't have to move to enjoy the game. But it's an idea.


The whole 'gang culture' that these Brigante/Ultra d**k heads are doing however is bang out of order. Yes wire and Wigan dislike each other but I know I can still go into a pub after a match and have a laugh and banter.

After Wigan's friendly I was walking into central station to get the train home with a group of around 15 lads. About 11-15, 6st wet through. Banging a drum and hurling the abuse. What a bunch of T*t heads i thought, these are going to get worse and worse.

The fact by the sounds or it they are letting of smoke bombs, wearing balaclavas, posting pictures of them in balaclavas?!?? They're trying to copy and be something they're not. It sounds like they want to be the green brigade. With a little noisy corner. Giving themselves a name. Its stupid. They'll be banned or they're going to get bored once people stop acknowledging people.

Some have said they have to be rugby fans. They've paid their money so they must have an interest. The sad truth is they don't have an interest. There were plenty fights at the GF and i would put my house on it that 9/10 hadn't been to a game all season. Maybe the odd exception going to a 'big' game. They go for an excuse to get tanked up and act like they're in a firm. It's quite sad how the majority are actually 21+ who do this.


More and more things are cropping up each year. And its not just one club or fans as a whole, every team has had bad press each season. Lets remember though RL was quite bad before we entered the 90's so its not a recent issue, We have calmed down. I just don't want it to flare up again.





I think from all of the the real issue is.... Some people always have to take things to far... Simple as. Some people don't know when to walk away from the pub or bookies. Some people arn't satisfied with small time drugs and move on to heroine. These people aren't just happy with the songs and flags. They want more. and this is where the trouble has started.

Something needs to be done and quick.

Damo, I think your choice of words leaves a lot to be desired (abandoning), you seem to be putting the blame for the so called Ultras going out of control on the genuine fans who started the flag thing with only the best intentions.

It is almost like saying that it was the school teachers fault when a former pupil finishes up in jail for criminal offences.

I think the old leaders need to return to the the group. Get rid of the ultras name and get the brigantes name back and that name only. The old leaders were doing a fantastic job. I use to look forward to away games not only to watch Wigan but for the atmosphere what was created. These days I don't enjoy it as much. The lads that are running it at the moment need to go. They're beyond embarrassing and are beginning to ruin the reputation of the club.

Ridiculous. The former leaders of the group probably don't want to return to it. Their good intentions have been completely destroyed by a bunch of idiots hi-jacking the whole thing. The current trouble makers need to be stamped on hard and permanently, or the problem will persist.

By the sounds of things, the idiots from Saturday are going to be dealt with and hopefully they will get lengthy bans. If they are hit with bans, the club should announce how they've dealt with the situation and maybe people will think twice about throwing smoke bombs, causing trouble and verbally abusing people. The old leaders then maybe able to go back to the Brigantes, get the group back on right track and continue the good work they started before they left.

This was the first away game since all of the original leaders had finally backed off due to the increasing number of teenage cretins getting involved and spoiling things. So in that sense it is unfortunate that the actions at the weekend have marred the original Brigantes image and concept.

Darwen Warrior for your information the Taylor report was completed after the death of 96 supporters who left home to see a sporting occasion only never to return. How does that report get blamed for the need to set up the Brigantes? Just think before you post. It's still a very raw subject.

Lets hope the people responsible are dealt with and discouraged from attending games,maybe then wigan fans might show the brilliant atmosphere they had a year or 2 ago instead of boy scouts round a camp fire banging a drum crap!
Oh and for the football fans, 1740 was the figure for wigan fans on sunday

its because season tickets are cheap for kids and free to away games

Whilst the flag thing started with the best intentions, it attracted people with bad intentions and it seems the old leaders weren't experienced enough to deal with this problem. Fair play to Jukesays who's now co-operating with the club who do have the experience to deal with nuisances but this intervention should of happened earlier. But lets not dwell on the past because hopefully this matter is now being dealt with.

IMO I think the old leaders should take some of the ex-players to the stand where the Brigantes are and hopefully these players can have a positive influence on this troubled group.

Yes I blame the groups demise on the abandonment by certain positive individuals. However I just want to make it clear that the exiled leaders are [sizeNOT[/size responsible for the actions of the so called ultra element of this once great group. These troublemakers might be banned from stadiums but the trouble will just be taken elsewhere until someone does something to change the actions of those concerned in this thread from a negative to a positive.