Of course it is!! Are young players like phelps, Joel, tommy, Sam, Prescott, mcilorum & mossop not going to get better? Have they reached thier peaks already?

Can more not be extracted from feka, fielden, piggy, gleeson and Roberts?

There's so much more we could get out of this talented squad

Our team isn't as good as Saints or Leeds. Simple really.

IMO we are as good as Saints and we proved that last night. Also we will get better and Saints are already in decline with their key players getting older, more injury prone and slower.

Why don't you try being positive once in a while

Coley can put weight on and cut out the stupid penalties.

Fielden can put weight on, get some fire in his belly and cut the mistakes.

Riddell can get fitter.

Roberts in my eyes has comeon loads since the start of the season, always looks like a lazy bludger but he has got it and he needs to be given space to run with the ball.

Gleeson is really trying his heart out he needs to be given the ball with space to use his footwork to get the best out of him and Roberts but that is down to the halfbacks.

If us mere mortals can see that why couldn't Noble?

Looks like McGuire
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There is almost the equiv of a new front row in the players we have! Feka, piggy, fielden & Coley all can do much better.

At least one person isn't all doom and gloom

Well its been said on here McGuire has had a bit of experience at all areas of coaching like conditioning aswell. Hopefully that on its own with mean that he can get us through a quality pre season and start the season from the first game. That on its own would leave less work to do later on instead of playing catch up

If we HAVE managed to do what a good number of NRL clubs have tried over the last 18 months..then the club should be applauded

When you have a legend like Bennett and top coaches like Bellamy saying your the next big coach..You must have something about him.

really hope we have pulled this off

I've spoke to ex-NRL players about pre season training over there and they say its sickeningly hard fitness wise as opposed to over here which is a bit of a pi55 up and training abroad.

Palea'aesina, I really like him as do the fans as he knows how much it means to play for Wigan and he gives it everything he's got every time but he needs to get fitter and lose about 1 or 2 stone as does Riddell. If Palea'aesina got fit we would have our very own Moimoi as they are he same style of player. Please get fit Feka!

Rivvie pike beckons.

Which I would imagine is pretty difficult given some of your previous posts.

Do you honestly believe Wigan would be so stupid as to announce the sacking of a coach the week before a Grand Final in which they were due to appear?

You've truly got to be the simplest kind of headcase to believe that.

Nobby knew he was going weeks, if not months, ago - but Wigan sat on it to prevent the resulting three-ring circus interfering with, firstly the CC semi-final, and secondly, the play-offs.

Yeah, so they then go and announce it three days before the club's first appearance in a Grand Final for about five years.

Sorry to namecall, but some people deserve it - you utter prat.

So is he lying when he says he was told last Friday?

I wish people would stop calling this a sacking, his contract has run out and we are not offering him a new one.

Noble's a liar and IL can do no wrong. Thought you would have known that by now

And what on earth makes you think Ian Lenagan doesn't?