Madge did bring in Deacon. Deacon was ready to start his pre season with the bulls when he got the offer to move. Joined in November 2009

True, but don't forget most of our youngsters are Wane products from his Academy days.

Correct.

There was little excitement when the announcement was made but bringing in Paul Deacon was a master stroke from Maguire who recognised that bringing in a half-back with big game experience, organisational skills and a kicking game was exactly what Wigan needed at the time.

The move seemed to coincide with the downward spiral of Bradford Bulls.

Moving back to Shaun Wane and its interesting to read the differing views on his tenure so far but its not unsurprising that opinions are varied.

The defeat in the play-offs to Leeds last season really hurt, not because of any lack of effort from the players but because tactically we messed up big time and people won't forget that unless Wigan learn from their mistakes and play smart in the big games this year.

We are playing some fantastic stuff at the moment and seeing the young players step up has been amazing at times (today included). What has also been really pleasing is the performances of Wanes signings who have all proved their worth except perhaps Epalahame Lauaki who has looked average.

We simply need to win something and I think we will this season.

whatever.... no more bizzare than your constant snipes at the Wigan management because you are 'in the know'

How old are you??? aside from my involvement in the Hock debate would you care to show me my "constant snipes at Wigan management" I have stated quite clearly that I rate Wane as a coach and believe he is doing a good job. I also rate Lenegan massively as he has truly turned this club round.

I do however dislike Wanes attitude when it comes to the media and some of his comments, My opinion (of which I am more than entitled to) is that his comments about Gelling and Farrell are both Strange and innaproriate. I also don' t agree that a SL coach should be keeping the company he keeps and being involved with some of the situations he has been involved in. As I have stated many times I don't care what you believe, I know what I believe.


So your stance is that you hope our coach makes bizarre comments just to irritate me?? Grow up

The GF and C Cup are the trophies but to me winning the League can't be underestimated and it is, vastly.
If we are to improve RL and SL then teams/squads have to be more consistent. That means improving standards so that the best are rewarded with a trophy and financial reward for finishing top of the League.
It is over 27 games and is very difficult to do. I do feel the RFL/SL are really missing a trick by not making a bigger deal out of the the winners of the League.
What they have managed to do is separate the "Super League Champions" from the best team in the League.
Each year coaches in their after match comments talk about "N being the best team in the comp". Yet that team now rarely wins the GF.
I do think the RFL/SL have to re-think the relationship between the League Winners and the "SL Champions".

Have to say I thought you would have done lot worse than you have done so far.

Having said that, you were great at the same point last season and then it went horribly wrong in the big games. That will be the true test, motivation only gets you so far and when it has counted he has been tactically outclassed.

No, I started with how old are you as it was a genuine question, given how infantile your comment came across. I used to respond in that manner when I was at primary school. I then went on to give my opinion and why I have that opinion. I already know you are incapable of sensible discussion given your previous posts hence the grow up comment. So please either discuss the topic in hand or keep yourself away from your keyboard as the forum which be much more pleasant without your childish retorts.

Not going into it, it's old news. Just adding to the discussion with my reasons for liking/disliking Shaun Wane but it seems some folk are incapable of sensible discussion.

My original post was that I found his comments about gelling quite poor and also his comments about Farrell pretty unbelievable however I do rate him as a coach.

I find it rather amusing that you feel its ok for you to make scurrilous comments on a public forum, but, is it not ok for Mr Wane to give his assessment of how a player has played? Is it one rule for you?

Say what you like, i'm done on this matter...

The only thing that concerns me about Wane is his public criticism of players. Yes the second half at Bradford was poor but this was on the back a perfect easter period and a game that was over at half time. The constant 'we can do better' public bagging of sometimes named players could have an adverse effect particularly in a squad so young. How long when you consider how well these young players have done will it be before moral drops because regardless of results nothing seems good enough.

Didn't say he couldn't, I'm merely saying I don't agree with it