Fair enough, what you find acceptable is different to what others find acceptable. Frankly, people being thrown in my opinion is not acceptable in the slightest and shouldn't ''be expected''.

The South Stand is recognized for being loud and vocal. Infact myself and many others have been involved with adding the flags to the stand to try and create more atmosphere. However, some of the behaviour by idiots who happen to be within the top, middle section of the South Stand should not be tollerated and it needs to be stopped. Nobody is saying that everybody in that section are chavs/idiots but if you or someone you know is in that section then tough, trouble happens there hence why many people collectively call that group ''chavs'' and they will ramain to be branded ''chavs'' so long trouble continues in that section. It's the duty for people within that group to salvage their reputation by weeding out the idiots or simply don't sit near them.

Simple as that.

I really don't understand what your argument is? It isn't this forum that has labelled & pin-pointed that section, it's Wigan supporters in general as it's a clear, obvious and well documented problem area.

Racist chanting, laughing at a serious tribute to our troops and constant swearing and drunken behaviour in a family stand is ok is it?

what? do we go to the same matches? racist chanting.. i can only presume you are referring to st helens chants. If so we clearly have a different perspective.

As for drunken behaviour, beer/alchol is sold in the ground. Ive seen people drunk, but over the years of attending, but on average more adults, than from the group you are referring to.

Yes I think the running of these events should be brought up in the fans forum.

So you havent heard Watene chants in there this season?

What regiment were those troops marching along the touchline in front of the Boston Stand before the game?

A guy at the side of me said that they had just got back from Helmand but some of em’ only looked 12 and couldn’t march in line. Tell me that’s not what we are pitching up against the Taleban these days?

You don't even know what you're talking about half of the time.

And BTW, droning "Barmy Army" out for 20 minutes doesn't count as singing, or chanting, or trying to improve the atmosphere in any way, shape or form. It does the complete opposite. Though the idiots that start it and carry it on wouldn't realise that.

They are Cadets which is ages 12-18. The guy at the side of you is a muppet.

I think you are only trying to defend the people at the back of the south stand because that might be where you sit with your mates and you feel these comments are being aimed at you. Now I don't for one second think you are a violent person or anyone to cause trouble but you must agree that there is a slight problem with some of the behaviour?

On the original subject, I must admit to being extremely annoyed that people were clapping/laughing/shouting over the minute's silence.

However, rather than having to give separate instructions for each step, how about just reversing the order?

i.e. Hold the minutes silence, with the bugler starting the last post after the minute is up (the ref gives him a silent signal to start, instead of blowing his whistle).

On the other stuff, I'm glad that the club is rooting out the idiots. Hopefully they'll ban them for more than a couple of matches.

However, I also sit in the South Stand (although further down) with my daughter and several friends.

I have *never* heard any racist chanting (don't even know what "the Watene chant" is), and never had any problem with the kids at the back, other than being privately annoyed about the drunken scrotes that are clearly too young to be allowed near alcohol.

Cheers!

It wasn't so much about the "minute's silence" issues, which Mick concedes could have been managed better, but the general misbehavior of that small minority of [so-called] fans.

He's very keen on an element of self-policing (we were talking about the "old days" at CP, when they'd have got a "clip round t'earhole"!) to complement the clubs efforts. To some extent, it's a question of where to draw the line - we want to keep the atmosphere, but stop it getting so unpleasant that it puts people off. (having said that, we did agree that perhaps people who object to the noise might be better off in another stand...).

So..those of you who are normally in that area, please help the club out, either by having words with the offenders or passing on information/descriptions to the club.

Incidentally, on a similar subject, the guy from the Saints game who punched the steward has apparently been identified, and things are happening on that front.

Never heard racist chanting or the Watene one. One or two idiots blurting out something offensive at a game does not constitute a chant. There has been more damage done by folk stirring up that non-event than the moron who might have actually said it could ever wish to have done.

Underlined pretty much as I said earlier in the thread. As for the rest....oh for the days when you could clip someone round the ear!

think i am going to be moving to the side of the south for the next home game although i enjoy the singing and "chanting" i dont not want to be branded as a chav. there are some genuine supporters back there but seem to bring along 'friends' who couldnt give one about the game and seems to cause the bother. like at bradford away this season, havent seen that group of 'fans' recently, maybe the club have banned these?