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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"What games have you been watching because it can't have been any Wigan games with him in the side. Ainscoughs attack is better than Roberts and their defensive abilities are pretty similar. I fail to see how a player who scores fewer tries, makes fewer clean breaks, makes fewer tackle busts and so on can be considered the "much better"player.
He clearly has not got the pace he once had either.
Nobby isn't dipping him in and out of the team, he just picks established players regardless of form. There are only 10 games left. Ainscough could play the lot of them and not be burnt out. Noble is running out of games to to dip him in and out of the team. How many games do you think Ainscough should get before the end of the season? He is on course for none IMO because Noble will IMO pick Roberts unless injured regardless of form as he does with Riddell.
No he isn't. He offers no more now that he did at the start of the season.
He was given plenty of opportunities v Salford and he failed to take them. Calderwood was apparently not the right type of winger for us because he needed the service to score tries and was not capable of making his own opportunities. It looks like Robrets is the same except I have yet to see anything to suggest if he was given the service he would make use of it.
He has to offer more than he is. I do not expect him to be super human in defence. He is a winger and so provided he isn't a complete liability in defence then that is OK but that has to be balanced by offering a threat on attack and he just doesn't.
If we had no one else we would no doubt have to play him regardless but we do and its about time Ainscough got another run in the side.
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Obviously Roberts has not scored as many tries as Ainscough and you want your wingers to be scoring tries. Ainscough though does need to be gradually brought into the team as is being done (I just think that this should have started last season rather than this one), Roberts is not a youngster who needs easing in so if someone is to play the majority of games it should be him.
Whilst he is not topping the try scoring charts he is doing no worse in terms of tries to games than Calderwood and Colbon did before him and he is as many have said at a disadvantage chances wise as he plays on the right. He may or may not have scored the number of tries that Ainscough and Richards have if he played on the left we will never know whether he would. However we have predominately attacked down the left in the last few seasons due to the presence of Hock and so the left side benefitted. With the likely loss of Hock from our nal we should now see a more varied distribution in our point of attack. This will aid Roberts and Gleeson should it occur.
Whilst he has not scored many tries Roberts has made a good number of breaks so is capable of finding gaps. I fully expect that once we start to attack on the right as well as the left that Roberts will show why we signed him. Yes he has had two thirds of a season but while our play is skewed to the left he isn't seeing an even share of the chances. Let him have a fair crack of the whip before you start to beat him with it.
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I think Amos is worse than Calderwood. His positioning is woeful. Riddell is also a seemingly bad buy from downunder. His belly is embarassing.
The main ray of hope last night was Sam Tompkins and MM.
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| Quote wiganermike="wiganermike"Obviously Roberts has not scored as many tries as Ainscough and you want your wingers to be scoring tries. Ainscough though does need to be gradually brought into the team as is being done (I just think that this should have started last season rather than this one), Roberts is not a youngster who needs easing in so if someone is to play the majority of games it should be him.
Whilst he is not topping the try scoring charts he is doing no worse in terms of tries to games than Calderwood and Colbon did before him and he is as many have said at a disadvantage chances wise as he plays on the right. He may or may not have scored the number of tries that Ainscough and Richards have if he played on the left we will never know whether he would. However we have predominately attacked down the left in the last few seasons due to the presence of Hock and so the left side benefitted. With the likely loss of Hock from our nal we should now see a more varied distribution in our point of attack. This will aid Roberts and Gleeson should it occur.
Whilst he has not scored many tries Roberts has made a good number of breaks so is capable of finding gaps. I fully expect that once we start to attack on the right as well as the left that Roberts will show why we signed him. Yes he has had two thirds of a season but while our play is skewed to the left he isn't seeing an even share of the chances. Let him have a fair crack of the whip before you start to beat him with it.'"
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| Quote AJ="AJ"So who is?
What is your point? Naming who we think is the fastest in the league is irrelevant when discussing a winger (Fox) who clearly caught Roberts, thus meaning Roberts isn't lighting as dubbed.
Watch it again, Fox is chasing him before the ball is picked up as he is on his way back to scoop the loose ball, hardly the head start you speak of.
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| Quote W!64N_ENTHUSI45T="W!64N_ENTHUSI45T"Thank you for someone remotely seeing the point in my original post.
When I started the thread my point was pretty much this.
I was trying to explain the dissapointment in Roberts' pace. Regardless of whether Fox is the fastest in the league, when people had been sticking up for Roberts while he was getting a load of stick everyone had been saying his shining atttribute was his electric pace. And having not seen him in the NRL to know if this was true or not I felt a big dissappointment when he made that break.
What I was trying to suggest is that if Roberts isnt going to burn everyone in the clear like it was being made out then why not use Ainscough who has better strength and other alternative attributes. If both are going to get run down either way it wont hurt trying something a little alternative for once like using Ainscoughs Agility, Strength and Aggression and some more of the Home Grown passion that was seen yesterday.'"
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan" missoncruded'"
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"
Quote Last Son of Wigan="AJ" wrote: So who is? '"
What is your point? Naming who we think is the fastest in the league is irrelevant when discussing a winger (Fox) who clearly caught Roberts, thus meaning Roberts isn't lighting as dubbed. '"
Well you said Fox isn't the fastest and clearly don't understand how getting caught by the fastest man in SLi sfar less of an issue than if say Nick Fozzard would have caught him, but hey don't let that get in the way of you slagging someone off.
I fully expect you to duck the question, but here goes again - Who do you think is the fastest player in SL.
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Quote Last Son of Wigan="AJ"Watch it again, Fox is chasing him before the ball is picked up as he is on his way back to scoop the loose ball, hardly the head start you speak of. '"
When?'"
Hmm, perhaps when Roberts picked up the loose ball and Fox caught him 60m later. |
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| Quote AJ="AJ"Well you said Fox isn't the fastest and clearly don't understand how getting caught by the fastest man in SLi sfar less of an issue than if say Nick Fozzard would have caught him, but hey don't let that get in the way of you slagging someone off.
I fully expect you to duck the question, but here goes again - Who do you think is the fastest player in SL.
Hmm, perhaps when Roberts picked up the loose ball and Fox caught him 60m later.'"
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Kevin Penny'"
So you would have been okay with Penny catching Roberts?
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| Quote AJ="AJ"So you would have been okay with Penny catching Roberts?
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Well you clearly are.
You asked me a question which I answered. |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Well you clearly are. '"
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