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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Do you think it’s to late now to change it Cruncher or is that our destiny to play 2nd Fidel to the other brand of rugby?
The last decade has defiantly seen Union stamp it’s dominance in regards to the rugby environment. They’ve had three successful RU world cups starting with the one In SA and those images of Mandela with the white SA captain holding the trophy and it’s really kicked on from there hasn’t it. A good domestic, European and International game has seen their revenues sky rocket from an ‘armature’ game to arguably the 2nd European professional sport behind Football. There are true RU celebrities now like Cipriani, Wilkinson, Carter, Lomu, Johnson & O’Driscoll.
So what can we do to compete and survive? I certainly don’t think we are going down the right road of;
A-Shunning the ex players who have played the game. The likes of Robinson, Hanley, Edwards, Larder, Mcginty, Lydon & Ford have all gone over 2 the other side as we wouldn’t offer them the opportunities that RU have. Why weren’t these players offered the types of roles as back coach, defense coach at SL clubs over the likes of Endacott, Milward, Raper, T Smith, Murray, Anderson, Potter etc? The more people we have in the game who love the game and want to see it be a success the better IMO.
B-Not producing our own GB talent instead of the quick fix 2nd rate Aussies. Wigan have been just as much to blame as the rest on this but all SL clubs have also done it. If we don’t produce GB talent GB won’t win anything at international the level. International rugby should be the major revenue generator for any sport with spectacles like World cups or European tournaments. I honestly think if an international team is doing well people will tune into to watch them. Look at the Olympics for a perfect example. How many people tuned in to watch them even tho they don’t really like Athletics? How many people watch a the RU world cup final or Murray at Wimbeldon?
3-The SC is also a major problem as it’s dulled the skill level imo. Yes it’s a fairer comp but is it as skill full as it could be or is a breeding ground for future internationals? The SC has done two things it’s brought Wigan down and it’s also gave the smaller clubs a free reign not to develop. We need a system in place like a 50% revenue cap with bits adding in allowing young GB players to be exemempt from it as it’s only going to help RL in the long run if Clubs try to increase revenue and produce more GB eligible players.
Sorry for the long post BTW'"
No need to say sorry, great post mate.
Its so true that all our ex-players should of been offered some sort of role in RL first, maybe even as soon as they retire, even if its just as a coach or training coach or whatever, doesnt have to be a massive job. People like Edwards and no our game very well and would be very well used at any club.
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| Should be seperate caps for UK and Overseas players. That way, more english players are kept on since this would be higher and more expandable.
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| Maybe, just thinking out loud on this one..
Different caps should be introduced for different sections of each team, for example..
A cap for the players under 21.
A cap for UK players
A cap for overseas players
A cap for RU players coming over to entice RU players
Keep things equal from RL to RL team in the SL help compete with RU in this country and others..
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| Its simple IMO
Players brought through the academy should not count on the cap..why should a team with a good academy loss there top players..if your club dont have a good academy TOUGH get your finger out and make one.
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| Quote: wigan_knight "Its simple IMO
Players brought through the academy should not count on the cap..why should a team with a good academy loss there top players..if your club dont have a good academy TOUGH get your finger out and make one.'"
Exactly. What is so hard 2 introduce about this and what negative effects will it really have?
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| This seems like a good idea to me. But would some clubs argue that players sign and poach others at academy level before making it into the first team?
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| then it would be Pride in the shirt. When theres a promising young lad play amature level there'll be a few clubs that go in for him... at that point its upto the player where he wants to go.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Exactly. What is so hard 2 introduce about this and what negative effects will it really have?'"
Nothing hard at all mate
But the RFL mindset is to make the rest the level of the weakest.
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "This seems like a good idea to me. But would some clubs argue that players sign and poach others at academy level before making it into the first team?'"
I know it’s not as simple as it may seem but why would the youngsters chose say Wigan over Castleford? IMO it’s mainly due to the facilities we have i.e training and Stadium etc also it’s cause we have a good track record of producing good youngsters who go onto the GB team.
It’s all about the package you can offer the kids as imo if we were all offering the same thing then team loyalties would come into it. The ‘lesser’ teams have to pick themselves up to our level.
Currently it’s the wrong way round as we are being brought down to their level when they should be coming to us.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "I know it’s not as simple as it may seem but why would the youngsters chose say Wigan over Castleford? IMO it’s mainly due to the facilities we have i.e training and Stadium etc also it’s cause we have a good track record of producing good youngsters who go onto the GB team.
It’s all about the package you can offer the kids as imo if we were all offering the same thing then team loyalties would come into it. The ‘lesser’ teams have to pick themselves up to our level.
Currently it’s the wrong way round as we are being brought down to their level when they should be coming to us.'"
If you poach a talented yougster from a team when it comes for him to play first team he counts on cap. i think that would stop most poaching
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| Quote: thepriestman85 " A-Shunning the ex players who have played the game. The likes of Robinson, Hanley, Edwards, Larder, Mcginty, Lydon & Ford have all gone over 2 the other side as we wouldn’t offer them the opportunities that RU have. Why weren’t these players offered the types of roles as back coach, defense coach at SL clubs over the likes of Endacott, Milward, Raper, T Smith, Murray, Anderson, Potter etc? The more people we have in the game who love the game and want to see it be a success the better IMO.
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Hanley coached Saints to win the SL Grand Final, and also coached GB. He lost the Saints job because of his "bombastic" personality! Larder coached Widnes in the old First Division, as well as England and GB. None of which he did with any great degree of success. Ford was coach of Oldham, if my memory serves me correctly, before going to Ireland RU. Likewise, he wasn't proving to be a great success. Wigan gave Lydon a chance, he wasnt impressed. So to say that these did not get a chance is simply wrong. They had chances, and blew them. If they were coaching in SL now, they would still be no better than also rans.
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| Quote: TheSurgeon "If the SC was changed to 50% of turnover, then all IL would have to do is to buy £1m worth of Golden Gamble tickets each match, and the money would come straight back to him,(less the £2000 top prize if he didn't win) and it would count as turnover..........simple.'"
Or just put 500sh onto the gate,
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| For those like me who were always wary of the cap at its introduction, it has failed spectacularly.
It has failed to stop clubs going broke. From Oldham Bears in 1997 to Rochdale a few weeks ago clubs have gone broke. That was the reason it was introduced and it has failed.
Then in came the numpties trying to establish a "level playing field". All this rubbish in persuit of the unattainable cliche!
There's no level playing field in life and there will never be one in Rugby League. After 12 years are Castleford & Wakey as good as Leeds or Saints? Wire have officially spent the same on the cap as Leeds or Saints, we know who are the top two teams and who are the rest.
The "level playing field" has failed.
What is succeeded in doing is lowering the numbers and standards of players in Super Dooper League.
Our England team wasn't a team full of International Quality players. They played like journeymen when faced with the sports very best.
England's finest were humiliated.
And what have the RFL had to say about it? Nothing at all!
They are responsible as they reduced the numbers playing at the top level in this country. The salary cap means you can't pay players and the 20/20/25 meant that a club couldn't have them in numbers.
With only 20 per first team squad no club or coach could take a chance on fielding youngsters when they could buy a journeyman Aussie who wouldn't make the mistakes young players make.
I never, ever, agreed with that but that's what happened with the cap and 20/20. It was also designed to do that specifically by the SL clubs and the RFL.
We should now be on a massive programme of expansion of players numbers for the next world cup in 2013 so we don't get a repitition. Are we? No chance! the SL clubs and RFL will not remove the restrictions they have in place to stop player development. Not at any price!
It's not on their agenda!
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