I posted a while ago about the arrogance that comes from winning and this post (along with your others on here) pretty much highlights it.

Saints do something - Nobody else in the league could do it, not a chance
Saints lose - They weren't beaten by the better side, it was injuries, poor Saints play, bad decisions etc

You're a great side of course you are, but as I said before the Magic game...stop coming on here and expecting Wigan fans to celebrate you as the greatest side that ever lived. If you want to talk about how good you are and not have people challenge it then stick to RedVee.

I’m not agreeing with anybody, I’m just simply putting my opinion across of where this rivalry stands. I’ve bagged Saints enough on here and have been called out for it by Saints fans, not happy that I’ll criticise things like Woolf clearly putting blocks on players turning out for the All Stars or my opinion that Woolf has helped drive this culture the game now has, of players milking penalties (ironic that he’s now calling it out) or giving away tactical six agains. I don’t highlight them to drag those debates up again but just to show there us balance there. My eyes tell me week to week they’re still a better side than us and we still have work to do. I think Matt Peet knows this himself and he’ll be working his rocks off to close that gap that’s still there. It’s a smaller gap than it was even on Good Friday and it’s closed by a whopping amount from last year but we’re kidding ourselves if we don’t think there still is one IMO.

I don't expect that. What I expected was some respect for the Hudds game in particular rather than Hudds inablility to score. Thats what has got my back up and if you don't agree then fine. Its expected that fans or rival teams will argue, thats the point of the forum isn't it?

I've not stopped posting because people don't agree with me. I love a debate.

I could second your arrogance comment by the fact that all of a sudden (in some Wigan fans eyes) we need to close the gap on them and they are the better team because they won the CC.

If you do win the Grand Final I'll righly laud it.

And you don't think you're condescending? I thought you were better than this.

As for what Peet says, you've already addressed this yourself. It's his job to keep a list on things, just as any coach would. Do you expect him to come out and say "we're the best team in the league and have now surpassed Saints"? I'm using this phrase a lot with you recently Stu, but have a word...

Still awaiting your definition of toothless if it's not an inability to score points Stu.

Despite the fact that some of your fans also feel there is a gap?

Yes toothless in rugby terms is an inability to score points. Thats not been in question.

Is an inability to score points also not reflective of the oppositions defence? Still waiting for your answer on this one.

Are you talking about the Wigan fans respecting it or across the game? If it’s the latter, I’ve seen so much praise for Saints post last Friday. Some of the media guys like Matt Shaw and Aaron Bower we’re lauding it and saying it confirmed Saints place as the best of all time. I thought that was OTT but that would go back to the general quality across the sport at the minute in comparison to a decade ago.

If it’s regards to us praising it, I can’t give it loads because I didn’t see it as I was at the Wigan game. Maybe it’s my biased eyes but there seems to have been very little fuss made this week of a guy who broke a 20 year old try scoring record. The game needs to be better at that IMO.

Not criticising your opinion NK. You're entitled to it as Egg is. However it's just an opinion. My opinion is that nothing has been sorted one way or the other and we're the ones with the trophy in the cabinet beating them on the way to winning it, so the only gap to be closed this season so far is them needing to win something. Everything else is just opinion and hot air.

I gave it to you when I said your Huddersfield performance was outstanding. What exactly are you waiting for?

If our definitions of toothless are the same, why do you object to me using the term in a situation that fits both our definitions?

Yeah I meant more on here. We got lots of credit from across the game and I understand your frustration that French's achievements were overlooked in a way due to our win. On any other night his 7 tries would have been way more headline news in the RL press than it was.

Mate, I don't care if Nelson Mandela thinks it. What relevance is that? There is a gap as I say. You need to win something to close the gap on us having already won one of the 2 major trophies. That's an actual, quantifiable gap, not an hypothetical one based on opinion.

Ok I'll stop here as we are going round in circles so this is my last post on the subject.

You'll also be pleased to know that I go away in a few days so won't be posting for a while

Ok. So before the PL season finished are the teams that knocked City out of the FA Cup and Carling Cup a better team than City? ( I can't remember who did) Please answer that one for me.

No, because City won the championship. Until they did it was purely opinion as Liverpool could be said to have had the most trophy aspirations.

In fact this is a great example as I don't know a single Liverpool supporter who thought City were a better side.

I say there’s a gap pal and I think there is but it’s not a gap that’s terminal for our chances this season. I think we can beat them in the play offs or a Grand Final, I really do. Any debate over a gap becomes irrelevant if we can nail a performance against them in a Grand Final. We just need to make sure we get 2nd spot and give ourselves that chance.