Better still ask that clown Webbo to post!

Good post.

That’s not true - I said a couple of decent props and a new coach would transform you but I didn’t think it would be enough to challenge saints and Catalans. I also thought Leeds would be far better than they have been. I always said the biggest thing for Wigan was replacing the clown coaching you.

I still think come business end it will be between saints and Catalans

Ask any Wigan fan at the start of the season and you would have been told we would have been happy to just compete with teams. I think we can give both you and Catalan a game (no mention of the nilling please)

I still think there is a way for us to get to the GF but if not I’m happy with the progress made and would be looking forward to the next year where I feel looking at the club we can improve further. We all have our time in the sun, unless your Warrington which I hope those lot stay in the shade for another 50 years

Mate, I don't want to squabble but that is exactly what you said. You said the reason we didn't lose much when replacing players is because we were only replacing average players with similar average players whereas Saints would feel it more because they were replacing higher quality players. The "Harry Smith was the next big thing until he wasn't" is almost verbatim your phrase! I'll find and quote the posts when I have more time if you like but, trust me, that is what you said.

"Wigan recently develop a lot of small fairly average forwards that get raved about for reasons I don’t yet understand. Looking at your team who are the really stand out players developed at Wigan? All your best players have been signed. Farrell and Marshall maybe? Then a bunch of forwards who get shown up quite a lot against decent packs. Smith was the next big thing until he wasn’t."

There you go mate. Almost verbatim what I said

Some interesting opinions on this thread. I will never like St Helens but certainly respect them and what they’ve achieved. The more clubs like ourselves, St Helens and Leeds who regularly compete and produce quality young players the better off the sport will be.

Hopefully today will be a good game, we are improving and have shown we can raise the bar but St Helens are still the team to beat and should be favourites.

I still can’t see past St Helens winning the big one this year. Next year will be the real interesting one, will Roby carry on? Woolf to leave with rumours of Wellens talking over. Will he be a Wane or a Cunningham? Interesting times ahead.

Poor start, dropped ball, penalty and cannot make any yards, they are walking over us. Hopefully we find our feet pretty soon.

Poor game really - neither team has found their rhythm at all. At least we managed to keep them to 2 when their forwards were on top early.

Saints really put everything into thay opening 20, probably why we made so many errors. They struggled towards the end of the half and the error count evened up (by errors I mean with and without the ball).

Cust and Smith, dear me. Horror show today.

If that’s a sending off RL is finished . Sirenon was going down . Always looks worse in slow motion . Yellow card at worst

I agree, not a yellow, just unfortunate, penalty area worst.

Regardless of the result I want to see the Saints fans saying Field is nothing but speed, another brilliant assist.

Singleton wasn't even looking, he was just putting the shoulder in. It ended up looking bad, but it wasn't intentional.

Use of subs, embarrassing. I had no idea Partington was even playing and Shorrocks should never be a starting player.