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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"I clearly see things differently than a lot on here but so be it. There's been a big debate on here recently about what happens when teams lose 5, 6, 7 players. Well, by the time Marshall failed to make it past half time we were 5 down with a sixth playing his first minutes after a near year long absence. We still won.
It's ludicrous that people are saying we're miles off less than two weeks after Saints, the supposed benchmark, lost at the bottom club with a similar number missing. Are they 'miles off' too then?
Make no mistake, we fought for that tonight. Showed plenty grit and determination to win a game we weren't bossing. Hull are a decent side. That's a game we lose last year. Not only lose, but lose convincingly.
As for individual performances, Havard, Smithies, Field and Farrell were excellent. Byrne, Singleton and Mago (yes Mago) were good. Harry Smith has played just 2 games this season and won both of them for us. What do you people want?
I absolutely despair sometimes. That was a hard fought win that should be celebrated not belittled. We won't have it all our own way every game and the ability to win close games like that is crucial. Were we perfect? Absolutely not. Were we good enough to win? I don't know...I'll need to check the scoreboard again as apparently we weren't very good.'"
Just from a personal point of view I still think I’m in a place of doubting us given how bad we were last season. There’s undoubtedly some bad habits still in there that need to eradicated but a whole heap of stuff is vastly improved. I think I’m guilty of focussing on the negatives a bit too much from last night, rather than looking at what went well. The fact we start without Leuluai and Pearce Paul doesn’t help, we then have Isa playing on when clearly injured and then going off and need to shuffle around and we then need to shuffle things again when Marshall goes off. It is easy in the heat of a game to overlook things like that and to also overlook the fact that we’re probably facing one of the form teams in the comp as well.
I still stick by the fact we’re going to need to be so much better on Good Friday but then when wouldn’t that be the case? You always need to rise in those games. There’s a doubt we’ve got it in us because we didn’t show it last season and we didn’t show it at Catalans but we’ll see.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Statistically Mago was excellent with 11 carries for 91 metres. I’ve been happy with him overall and I think there’s more to come.
I’m going to watch the game back when I can. I’ve been on total rl and other places and the game has had loads of praise and even neutrals were saying how well we played. I’m feeling like I was a right miserable git on the night because I didn’t feel like that. I was absolutely freezing mind so maybe it was that getting to me
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Thought Mago was pretty good last night,yes I’d love him on the field more but that seems the exception to the rule with props nowadays.
Cust and Smith don’t seem to work as a combo at present which is a worry longer term.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Watch Mago’s first drive when he comes on.
It’s not his fault we spill the ball for the rest of the half.
Watch his drive and watch how the Hull players react.
It’s a small win but it’s a win and starts to change the momentum.'"
I’m more than happy with the win and happy with our general improvement. The entire 17 are playing much better and individually several players have come on leeps and bounds.
I will look out for Mago’s first drive but 9 drives in an entire match???
I want the guy to be a huge success. He almost certainly has the ability. One of thre finest sights on a rugby is a big prop offloading and he can do it for fun.
As I’ve said previously if he is carrying an injury fair do’s but if he isn’t then for me he’s not doing enough by any stretch of the imagination.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"I’m more than happy with the win and happy with our general improvement. The entire 17 are playing much better and individually several players have come on leeps and bounds.
I will look out for Mago’s first drive but 9 drives in an entire match???
I want the guy to be a huge success. He almost certainly has the ability. One of thre finest sights on a rugby is a big prop offloading and he can do it for fun.
As I’ve said previously if he is carrying an injury fair do’s but if he isn’t then for me he’s not doing enough by any stretch of the imagination.'"
It’s not bad 9 carries in limited minutes. Big Tony would regularly play longer minutes than Mago is and run 3 or 4 times only. The minutes were limited but he was busy enough when he was on I felt. If you look at Havard he carried 18 times and that’s fantastic but he was probably on the field 3 times as long, so the output per minute isn’t much different.
Sometimes I think we need to look at the props as a collective unit. We don’t have that one that makes 150+ metres most weeks but if your 4 or 5 are playing different roles and coming up with the metres you need between them, then that’s absolutely fine.
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| Same ones bagging Mago's minutes are probably the same ones that used to love Clubby.
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| 2021 that’s a game we’d have lost. On that I am almost certain, even if we had the squad we have now.
We’re not there yet, we’re still a way off IMO and that’s not a criticism. But we’re well on the way to getting there, wins like last night prove it. I’ve watched the game again this morning (the benefits of having a 1yr old non sleeper). I’m going to roll back on my Smith/Partington criticism, they weren’t poor but fairly solid on second viewing. Yes there was nothing spectacular but they did their job and did it to a good standard.
Whether it’s good enough is another matter, I’m not convinced at all with Partington but gladly will roll back further I hope in time.
Our defence was dogged and our attack was actually pretty good and suited the game. I thought Singleton was brilliant last night and I hope some of those who went after him with pitchforks will eat their words, he’s been a shining star in our pack this season and in all games he’s played has laid the platform with hard drives, tough D and a willingness to do the tough stuff which generally speaking isn’t praised anywhere near enough.
A good win, good performance. I’m happy with last night.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"2021 that’s a game we’d have lost. On that I am almost certain, even if we had the squad we have now.
We’re not there yet, we’re still a way off IMO and that’s not a criticism. But we’re well on the way to getting there, wins like last night prove it. I’ve watched the game again this morning (the benefits of having a 1yr old non sleeper). I’m going to roll back on my Smith/Partington criticism, they weren’t poor but fairly solid on second viewing. Yes there was nothing spectacular but they did their job and did it to a good standard.
Whether it’s good enough is another matter, I’m not convinced at all with Partington but gladly will roll back further I hope in time.
Our defence was dogged and our attack was actually pretty good and suited the game. I thought Singleton was brilliant last night and I hope some of those who went after him with pitchforks will eat their words, he’s been a shining star in our pack this season and in all games he’s played has laid the platform with hard drives, tough D and a willingness to do the tough stuff which generally speaking isn’t praised anywhere near enough.
A good win, good performance. I’m happy with last night.'"
Singleton has been up and down IMO but last night was a real up, as was that Huddersfield game. We need that week to week from him. Once Ellis is back and with Havard now back and playing really well, I think we’ve got the makings of a strong and well balanced prop rotation.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"I clearly see things differently than a lot on here but so be it. There's been a big debate on here recently about what happens when teams lose 5, 6, 7 players. Well, by the time Marshall failed to make it past half time we were 5 down with a sixth playing his first minutes after a near year long absence. We still won.
It's ludicrous that people are saying we're miles off less than two weeks after Saints, the supposed benchmark, lost at the bottom club with a similar number missing. Are they 'miles off' too then?
Make no mistake, we fought for that tonight. Showed plenty grit and determination to win a game we weren't bossing. Hull are a decent side. That's a game we lose last year. Not only lose, but lose convincingly.
As for individual performances, Havard, Smithies, Field and Farrell were excellent. Byrne, Singleton and Mago (yes Mago) were good. Harry Smith has played just 2 games this season and won both of them for us. What do you people want?
I absolutely despair sometimes. That was a hard fought win that should be celebrated not belittled. We won't have it all our own way every game and the ability to win close games like that is crucial. Were we perfect? Absolutely not. Were we good enough to win? I don't know...I'll need to check the scoreboard again as apparently we weren't very good.'"
I don’t think I’ve seen a post that says we didn’t do well to win?
We are significantly improved on the previous 3 years but still some way to go is my main point. I’m happy with our improvement on and off the pitch. I’m not expecting any silverware this season and I’m fine with that. We had regressed to a very poor club so to turn it around in a season would be expecting too much.
Currently we can’t seem to play at a high intensity for prolonged periods. It’s not a criticism it’s just an opinion that personally, I have. One of my frustrations is that Mago patently has the ability to help improve this but for whatever reason he can’t do it unless it’s in micro sections.
I think that Field is absolutely fantastic to watch. It’s a genuine pleasure to see the guy accelerate so effortlessly. We need more across the park when he doesn’t play well and when he still delivers if we are to compete with Saints and Catalan. For me that isn’t a criticism it’s currently just a fact.
I woke up this morning really pleased with the overall performance against a decent team and where we picked up injuries during the game. All I want to see is further improvement which I’m quite sure the squad can deliver. I’m pretty certain that Peet and his team will be giving backslaps for a good solid performance but will be looking and striving for improvements across the entire squad. I’m confident that further improvement will be delivered particularly when we get consistent dry pitches.
I’m going to Wakefield and Saints and it’s been a few seasons since I went to consecutive away games so as I say generally I’m happy with our progress.
I suppose I’m in the Lombardi camp. Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence.
I’ve always thought like that. I just can’t help it.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"2021 that’s a game we’d have lost. On that I am almost certain, even if we had the squad we have now.
We’re not there yet, we’re still a way off IMO and that’s not a criticism. But we’re well on the way to getting there, wins like last night prove it. I’ve watched the game again this morning (the benefits of having a 1yr old non sleeper). I’m going to roll back on my Smith/Partington criticism, they weren’t poor but fairly solid on second viewing. Yes there was nothing spectacular but they did their job and did it to a good standard.
Whether it’s good enough is another matter, I’m not convinced at all with Partington but gladly will roll back further I hope in time.
Our defence was dogged and our attack was actually pretty good and suited the game. I thought Singleton was brilliant last night and I hope some of those who went after him with pitchforks will eat their words, he’s been a shining star in our pack this season and in all games he’s played has laid the platform with hard drives, tough D and a willingness to do the tough stuff which generally speaking isn’t praised anywhere near enough.
A good win, good performance. I’m happy with last night.'"
Agree.
I was critical at HT, but that probably came from somehow being behind after dominating territory etc. 2nd half, I thought we really took it to them.
Attack will improve when we figure out where Field and French fit in, but as you say we are on the right track.
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| Quote Egg Chasing="Egg Chasing"Same ones bagging Mago's minutes are probably the same ones that used to love Clubby.'"
I’m banging on about Mago’s minutes and I thought Clubb was dire at best.
Same person doing smart arris one sentence posts.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"I’m banging on about Mago’s minutes and I thought Clubb was dire at best.
Same person doing smart arris one sentence posts.'"
Looking at his stats he made more yards than every prop bar Havard, more carries than Byrne and the same number of carries as Olly P.
So are his minutes rubbish or is every other prop lazy?
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"It’s not bad 9 carries in limited minutes. Big Tony would regularly play longer minutes than Mago is and run 3 or 4 times only. The minutes were limited but he was busy enough when he was on I felt. If you look at Havard he carried 18 times and that’s fantastic but he was probably on the field 3 times as long, so the output per minute isn’t much different.
Sometimes I think we need to look at the props as a collective unit. We don’t have that one that makes 150+ metres most weeks but if your 4 or 5 are playing different roles and coming up with the metres you need between them, then that’s absolutely fine.'"
It’s still 9 carries in 80 minutes of available game time.
Potentially Mago is our best prop therefore, I want our best prop on the field for maximum minutes.
I just can’t comprehend or accept, unless he is carrying an injury, why he can’t do more than 10 minute cameos.
I actually think that Mago could be a terrific player. I just find it frustrating that he can’t do more.
I’m not anti Mago as some posters will immediately leap to as any minor criticism is held up as an almost treasonous act.
I’m just an owd fart who happens to believe that a full time pro should be capable of playing a full 80 minutes if required to do so. It’s generally accepted for all positions except for props by the vast majority of fans, I just find it inexcusable that any player can’t do more than 10 minute stints.
Giving Clubb his last 2 year contract was probably the worst piece of cap management in the club’s history.
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