I’m more than happy with the win and happy with our general improvement. The entire 17 are playing much better and individually several players have come on leeps and bounds.

I will look out for Mago’s first drive but 9 drives in an entire match???
I want the guy to be a huge success. He almost certainly has the ability. One of thre finest sights on a rugby is a big prop offloading and he can do it for fun.
As I’ve said previously if he is carrying an injury fair do’s but if he isn’t then for me he’s not doing enough by any stretch of the imagination.

It’s not bad 9 carries in limited minutes. Big Tony would regularly play longer minutes than Mago is and run 3 or 4 times only. The minutes were limited but he was busy enough when he was on I felt. If you look at Havard he carried 18 times and that’s fantastic but he was probably on the field 3 times as long, so the output per minute isn’t much different.

Sometimes I think we need to look at the props as a collective unit. We don’t have that one that makes 150+ metres most weeks but if your 4 or 5 are playing different roles and coming up with the metres you need between them, then that’s absolutely fine.

Same ones bagging Mago's minutes are probably the same ones that used to love Clubby.

2021 that’s a game we’d have lost. On that I am almost certain, even if we had the squad we have now.

We’re not there yet, we’re still a way off IMO and that’s not a criticism. But we’re well on the way to getting there, wins like last night prove it. I’ve watched the game again this morning (the benefits of having a 1yr old non sleeper). I’m going to roll back on my Smith/Partington criticism, they weren’t poor but fairly solid on second viewing. Yes there was nothing spectacular but they did their job and did it to a good standard.

Whether it’s good enough is another matter, I’m not convinced at all with Partington but gladly will roll back further I hope in time.

Our defence was dogged and our attack was actually pretty good and suited the game. I thought Singleton was brilliant last night and I hope some of those who went after him with pitchforks will eat their words, he’s been a shining star in our pack this season and in all games he’s played has laid the platform with hard drives, tough D and a willingness to do the tough stuff which generally speaking isn’t praised anywhere near enough.

A good win, good performance. I’m happy with last night.

Singleton has been up and down IMO but last night was a real up, as was that Huddersfield game. We need that week to week from him. Once Ellis is back and with Havard now back and playing really well, I think we’ve got the makings of a strong and well balanced prop rotation.

I don’t think I’ve seen a post that says we didn’t do well to win?

We are significantly improved on the previous 3 years but still some way to go is my main point. I’m happy with our improvement on and off the pitch. I’m not expecting any silverware this season and I’m fine with that. We had regressed to a very poor club so to turn it around in a season would be expecting too much.

Currently we can’t seem to play at a high intensity for prolonged periods. It’s not a criticism it’s just an opinion that personally, I have. One of my frustrations is that Mago patently has the ability to help improve this but for whatever reason he can’t do it unless it’s in micro sections.
I think that Field is absolutely fantastic to watch. It’s a genuine pleasure to see the guy accelerate so effortlessly. We need more across the park when he doesn’t play well and when he still delivers if we are to compete with Saints and Catalan. For me that isn’t a criticism it’s currently just a fact.

I woke up this morning really pleased with the overall performance against a decent team and where we picked up injuries during the game. All I want to see is further improvement which I’m quite sure the squad can deliver. I’m pretty certain that Peet and his team will be giving backslaps for a good solid performance but will be looking and striving for improvements across the entire squad. I’m confident that further improvement will be delivered particularly when we get consistent dry pitches.

I’m going to Wakefield and Saints and it’s been a few seasons since I went to consecutive away games so as I say generally I’m happy with our progress.
I suppose I’m in the Lombardi camp. Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence.
I’ve always thought like that. I just can’t help it.

Agree.

I was critical at HT, but that probably came from somehow being behind after dominating territory etc. 2nd half, I thought we really took it to them.

Attack will improve when we figure out where Field and French fit in, but as you say we are on the right track.

I’m banging on about Mago’s minutes and I thought Clubb was dire at best.

Same person doing smart arris one sentence posts.

Looking at his stats he made more yards than every prop bar Havard, more carries than Byrne and the same number of carries as Olly P.

So are his minutes rubbish or is every other prop lazy?

It’s still 9 carries in 80 minutes of available game time.
Potentially Mago is our best prop therefore, I want our best prop on the field for maximum minutes.
I just can’t comprehend or accept, unless he is carrying an injury, why he can’t do more than 10 minute cameos.

I actually think that Mago could be a terrific player. I just find it frustrating that he can’t do more.
I’m not anti Mago as some posters will immediately leap to as any minor criticism is held up as an almost treasonous act.

I’m just an owd fart who happens to believe that a full time pro should be capable of playing a full 80 minutes if required to do so. It’s generally accepted for all positions except for props by the vast majority of fans, I just find it inexcusable that any player can’t do more than 10 minute stints.

Giving Clubb his last 2 year contract was probably the worst piece of cap management in the club’s history.

Good to engage EC.

Yes his minutes are poor. Statistically and factually I think that’s a given. I assume you don’t want him to play more minutes?
His actual ability I have zero qualms with. Potentially he could be something special. I just want more of it

How many minutes did Byrne do? How many tackles did each prop do?
How many games previously has he averaged 10 metres per carry.

He is hardly blowing out his backside or asking to come off, it is simply that is how Peet wants to use him. As JonH said, the momentum swings when he comes on.

If he's playing low minutes and putting in Clubb type stats then fair enough, but when he is on the field he is clearly the dominant prop.

I'd love him to do 20 min spells, I think he could, but Peet sees it different and so far we can have few complaints because it's working.

I get where you’re coming from but with a 5 prop rotation last night, there’s only so many minutes each player can get and only so many carries available to take. Looking at the 5 lads in total, they took in over 60 carries between them. That’s huge and whilst you probably want your guy who makes the most ground per carry to be on as long as possible, I think they feel the best way to use him is in short bursts.

I must admit in one game I wouldn’t mind seeing him start and then trying to get 50-60 minutes out of him, just to see if he can do it and not become a defensive target/weak link. Last night wouldn’t be that game and nor would Saints/Catalans etc but maybe against a team missing a few or struggling for form.

Why does Peet play his best attacking threat for 80 minutes but his best forward threat for 10 minute bursts?
It just sounds totally illogical to me.