Exactly. If I did my job like Professor Ferguson or highlighted graphs of the quality Whitty and Valance produce I would be sacked.

The prediction you refer to was one of three scenarios at the time; they did exactly what you are saying they don't do.

Actual position was proadly in line with their best case, the worst case was flagged as extremely unlikely absent a new variant, which is what we have now.

Have you read the article

Every prediction they make is way out. October's 7k a day hospitalisation. 5000k a day from Omicron. And allegedly 1 death worldwide. Their predictions are now getting questiond by cabinet.

For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks..........

rlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894rl

Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks.......... rlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894rl'" Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee

Quote: Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy "For those who take their mathematical modelling advice from a political journalist at the Spectator with a long history of being wrong or members of the Cabinet (!) - an expert speaks.......... rlhttps://twitter.com/TimesRadio/status/1472935679139237894rl'" Interesting you missed out the discussion was between the jurno and a member of SAGE. And chaiirman of the modelling. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/my- ... -committee

This is the quote I was going to reply with

"Science must guide Covid course to protect NHS from 'collapse' - health boss

As we've reported, the cabinet is meeting at the moment.

While we're waiting to hear what the outcome of that is, here are some comments from health bosses who have been warning of the mounting pressure on the NHS.

Patricia Marquis, England director at the Royal College of Nursing, calls on ministers to listen to "whatever the scientific advisers are saying" about the pattern of Omicron's spread and "the effect that it's having on people, their health and the health services" to ease off the pressure on the NHS.

The science needs to guide what comes next to protect the health service from what could be a "real collapse", she tells the BBC.

Meanwhile Chris Hopson, chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents hospital trusts, says pressure on London trusts, including hospitals, community mental health and ambulance trusts, has been "mounting rapidly" in the past week.

"The number of hospitalised Covid patients or patients who tested positive for Covid has gone up by 30% in a week, at a time when nationally it's only gone up by 4%," he tells Times Radio."

Anybody would think certain posters are only cherry pi King what they want to read despite criticising others and claiming that's what they do.

It's like criticism of lockdown or social distancing saying only "X" died
Or criticism of vaccines and vaccination programs or vaccine passports and saying either only "X" died etc. Or "X" vaccinated people are still passing it on when when vaccinated.

Imagine how bad it would have been if we hadn't locked down or had vaccines etc.

Twitter discussion is very informative between the 2. He is now trying to defend himself. Time for all scenarios to be given to the public. And not the one for fear.

Which goes back to my original post and the explanation video by an expert of what actually happens.

I'll give you the scenarios of you like?

1/ no people are hospitalised or die
2/ some people are hospitalised or die
3/ a lot of people are hospitalised or die

There won't be 1 answer to hopefully reduce 3 to 2 to hopefully 1

Vaccines
Social distancing
Lockdown if needed
Etc, which h you can plan for
Along with "Hopefully" the new strain not being as deadly etc which you can't

Never seem them made public only worse case

Where's all the extra money gone?

As for the variant it spreads a lot quicker. Drs who deal with patients in Africa says its not as bad on lungs as the inital variant or Delta. Ppl stay in hospital for less days and little need for oxygen It was originally discovered 9th nov. You might think i am anti SAGE. Problem i have is with Boris and his management of the data. According to the spectator article its the Gov who then uses the figures which they ask for. I just want them to be honest and tell us the truth.

Thanks for you reply appreciated.

It's funny that many talk about cherry picking, but fail to even reference numerous financial experts who've noted the catastrophic impact another lockdown will have on the economy. The people calling for us to 'save the NHS' are funnily enough the most secure job wise - lockdown or not, they'll continue to go into work at the NHS. Those of us in the services sector, aren't that lucky. I've seen plenty of my clients, good people who've invested their everything into businesses fall on hard times.

Now the majority have had their jabs and there's apparently record booster numbers too - we can't keep doing the one foot in, one foot out of lockdown BS.