We seem to be going round in circles - I've told you why (which isn't characterised by the post above) - for some reason you can't / won't accept why.

I don't disagree with any of that (although with regards to Havards form, he was playing with an injury for about 2to3months that wasn't beig dealt with correctly, long story, but thats Lam for you), his last 4 to 6 games hebwas getting back to his best IMO

As I said, in previous years the expectation of the squad was higher than the achievements in both tangible terms such as trophies and league positions (even though I think top last year and 4th this were way higher than what we deserved) AND in performance.
Performance for me we had the attributes to be lets say an 8 or 9 out of 10 (by SL standards team). But for me for 3 years I'd give us no more than a say 4/6/4 return on those 3 years.

When we get to assessing squads for next year, and the usal prediction threads come round im a bit like you.
I think there's too many question marks to be confident about top 2 etc but too much quality to be concerned about bottom 4
So I agree 3rd to 8th and anything in between will possibly be on the cards.
If we take mid way and say 6th, then anything above that Peet etc on paper may have done well, anything below not so well or worse.

But couple that with performance, then he needs to get us playing "Well" in more than 50% of games compared to the 10/20% we've had last 3 years at most.

Again - all you have said is that you want fresh ideas and not someone from the wigan bubble. I've just read through your posts again and aside from "underwhelming" "wigan bubble" and "I want fresh ideas" you haven't given a reason why a successful assistant coach shouldn't be given a chance at the job.

So I'll ask one final time and will word it differently again because you're clearly having issues. Think about it slowly and forget that you hate all things IL and KR........

FORGET THAT HE IS FROM WIGAN!!!!
FORGET THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE AN AUSTRALIAN ACCENT!!!!

If you see his CV showing 11 years coaching (including at International level), 11 years of winning things (and being the most decorated head coach at the best academy in the world) and receive positive reviews about him from pretty much everyone you speak to. Why would you not give him the job?

I don't hate all things IL or KR. You seem to be getting a bit irrational to now believe that because I'm underwhelmed with the coaching decision that I hate the individuals running/owning the club. Given the stuff you just made up, I can see why you've misunderstood my reasons.

Well dodged. I will word it again then...

Again - all you have said is that you want fresh ideas and not someone from the wigan bubble. I've just read through your posts again and aside from "underwhelming" "wigan bubble" and "I want fresh ideas" you haven't given a reason why a successful assistant coach shouldn't be given a chance at the job.

So I'll ask one final time and will word it differently again because you're clearly having issues. Think about it slowly........

FORGET THAT HE IS FROM WIGAN!!!!
FORGET THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE AN AUSTRALIAN ACCENT!!!!

If you see his CV showing 11 years coaching (including at International level), 11 years of winning things (and being the most decorated head coach at the best academy in the world) and receive positive reviews about him from pretty much everyone you speak to. Why would you not give him the job?

I kind of like the idea of us being an unknown quantity. We all know how Wane can motivate & inspire, and I've no reason to think that at least MP & SOL can't carry this on with his guidance. This coupled with no pressure to immediately go out and be world beaters could lead to us having a real good go as soon as next season IMO.

I have no expectations, but I have an inside hope that we'll actually do something with a level of entertainment better than the zero that we've endured this season.

I am in the camp of being farily happy with the coaching set up and whilst i get Andys points, i respecfully disagree with him. Not a fundamental disagreement, more a casual one.

So im probably on your side of the fence regarding the appointments.

That said. honestkly mate, you are like a dog with a bone here

Calm down honestly

You've characterised my reasons for being underwhelmed entirely on me hating IL and KR - which simply isn't true. You've based your entire premise over the last god knows how many pages on a lie. I hate to break this to you given your stance (based on a lie), but people can form opinions based on the individual merits or otherwise of particular actions. You seem to be having trouble with that.

I mentioned you hating IL and KR once based on your comments after the fans forum when you accused them of lying (myself being one of those fans treated like a mug) and multiple posts in which you've slagged them off. I have simply asked you for reasons (and had done multiple times prior to me mentioning IL and KR) why you are underwhelmed about a successful assistant coach being promoted to head coach but you haven't provided any (other than wanting a pie in the sky appointment) so I'll presume you don't actually have any other than the usual crap that we normally see from people that won't give the club any credit for anything whatsoever but are quick to jump on them should something go wrong.

As someone on the other site said"6 out of 7 grand final wins with the academy, fixed our defence on his return as assistant, has relevant qualifications.

People would be foaming at the mouth if it was announced that a Aussie assistant who was responsible for a clubs brilliant defence and when coaching the reserves won 6 out of 7 finals was coming on board.

Give the guy a chance."[/i

See you've done it again - think I hate IL and KR based on one particular issue, then followed it up with a generalisation that because I have a difference of opinion on the appointment, I "won't give the club any credit for anything". No wonder you've been struggling with someone having an alternative point of view when you put people into a particular camp on so little evidence. Let's face it, no mater what my reasons you put me in the "hate IL/KR", "won't give the club any credit for anything" team because my opinion on this is different from yours.

And you've avoided answering the question again and come up with more . (the swear filter will get me here but there you go)

I can't help you if you have a problem with me having a different view from you. Others disagree with me, stated so and why, but none have felt the need to lie about me hating individuals at the club or not giving the club credit for anything. They didn't feel the need to make things up because we had differing opinions.

Any idea what happened with Peet at Sale? He was barely there long enough to have a serious impact.