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Quote: NickyKiss "Is the top and bottom of it. Change it if you must but get it right when you do.'"


Exactly.
We may have missed an exciting opportunity with an infantile design
Will be interesting to see reactions from younger fans

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Just seen it on Twitter. Truly awful. Sack whoever was involved in creating the monstrosity. Looks like a Widnes Vikings badge.

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I don't like the badge, shirt looks ok.
However my little grandson will love it.

I don't buy the replica shirts for myself but buy polo shirts etc, so I'll be interested how they look. The badge won't stop me buying one if the look of the shirt is o.k.. It'll be interesting to see what the range of leisure wear looks like.

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Quote: jonh "I don’t particularly like the re brand and I understand most on here won’t either.

The simple fact is though it isn’t aimed at us. We are the old farts to a certain extent the captive audience.

Clearly the club knew it wasn’t going to go down well with the traditional fans however they are aiming at a new younger market and securing the next generation of fans.

The old crest was/is dated in reality and if this rebrand helps boost attendances and helps support the drive for younger fans then I’m all for it.'"



You can’t actually genuinely believe that changing the badge is going to boost attendances?

You’ve posted that like you’re giving some unique insight into the reasoning. The reason for changing the crest is blatantly obvious. It’s absolutely laughable and even more out of touch to think that that’s going to increase attendances and interest in the game/Wigan. Kids aren’t going to suddenly take an interest in Wigan because they changed their badge. The problems are much much deeper in the sport as a whole and in all honesty this type of thing is the lazy attempt to generate interest with younger generations thinking kids are really into logos.


Edit: that’s not a criticism of Wigan specifically but the game as a whole. It’s a dire set of events that this is as cutting edge as marketing in rugby league gets.

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Unless I’ve grossly misunderstood the club have done this to boost attendances and interest from the younger fans? Really?

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Quote: sergeant pepper "Having just digested the details on the micro site, I'd sum my feelings up as extremely disappointed.

I'll lay my cards out on the table for this one;

1 - I work in Marketing. It's what I do every day, it's what my qualifications are in & I've got a real mix of B2C and "big brand experience" behind me.

2 - I know I'm going in at the club here and, tbh, that sits uncomfortably with me. I've been massively supportive (& still am) of IL, but with point #1 in mind, I can't stomach this at all.

3 - I'm not a traditionalist, or closed off to new ideas. I was supportive of the club and their efforts to get more corporate partners. I've got first hand experience dealing with Geoff Warburton and know how hard the club works to bring in new business. The criticism and vitriol aimed off the back London/Australia was wrong imo.

I can't however get onboard with this one.

If this was the final throw of a dice, after a period of really trying to engage with the fan base, I'd understand it (see point 3 above), but it isn't.

They talk about the change being done to engage with younger fans, but that's just BS. I can tell you with first hand experience, that it won't work. I'm of the age that the last badge update was kinda aimed at my age group - I don't know anyone who started watching the club because of it. I'm not sure how this new badge will be silver bullet to their problems now?

Have the club tried everything to engage with younger fans? Going on TikTok and posting generic/bland copycat video's doesn't cut it imo. There's loads more ideas I'd have hoped the club could have explored before taking such a big step. After that I'd have only liked the badge to be used for the kids they want to engage with. Kids are the future, but they've also vexed off a massive % of the fan base that have years left.

On the whole I think our Marketing dept is dross & has been since Simon Collinson left. The very fact the video on the micro site they've created is buffering due to traffic is laughable. The new profile pic on FB is/was pixelated - it's amateur hour.

Sadly for the club this is looking like they've shot themselves in the foot. The engagement across all the social platforms is overwhelmingly negative. Granted some on here aren't too fussed & that's fine, but I'm yet to meet anyone that actually likes or wants this.'"



I read this after I posted, but this is exactly what I was getting at in my last post. It’s more a sign of how out of touch some of the marketing teams are in the sport they think this is a genuinely good way to attract new fans.

We should desperately trying to get the likes of Amazon or Netflix on board to do a well produced behind the scenes documentary. Rugby league is so far behind the times with these things most of the time the boat has been completely missed by the time the clubs get up to date with current trends.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "I don't like the badge, shirt looks ok.
However my little grandson will love it.

I don't buy the replica shirts for myself but buy polo shirts etc, so I'll be interested how they look. The badge won't stop me buying one if the look of the shirt is o.k.. It'll be interesting to see what the range of leisure wear looks like.'"


My grandson loves the new shirt. If we could have used white instead of black the new shirt for me would be great

I believe the new leisure wear looks really good

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "You can’t actually genuinely believe that changing the badge is going to boost attendances?

You’ve posted that like you’re giving some unique insight into the reasoning. The reason for changing the crest is blatantly obvious. It’s absolutely laughable and even more out of touch to think that that’s going to increase attendances and interest in the game/Wigan. Kids aren’t going to suddenly take an interest in Wigan because they changed their badge. The problems are much much deeper in the sport as a whole and in all honesty this type of thing is the lazy attempt to generate interest with younger generations thinking kids are really into logos.


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The badge clearly won’t suddenly get kids charging through the turnstiles.

What it gives is the ability to build a marketing campaign around it, it will be more recognisable to new fans as part of product placement.

It will allow the club to produce a better range of clothing which will be more accessible to fans.

It’s all part of a jigsaw. This isn’t, or I hope it isn’t the extent of the journey the club will be going on with the rebrand.

Time will tell.

Like I said it isn’t for me but I’m not the demographic it is aimed at.

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Quote: Sibbs Rhinos "I read this after I posted, but this is exactly what I was getting at in my last post. It’s more a sign of how out of touch some of the marketing teams are in the sport they think this is a genuinely good way to attract new fans.

We should desperately trying to get the likes of Amazon or Netflix on board to do a well produced behind the scenes documentary. Rugby league is so far behind the times with these things most of the time the boat has been completely missed by the time the clubs get up to date with current trends.'"

I don't think the marketing department are that thick that they don't know about Amazon or Netflix. Seriously doubt they would be interested in spending money on a well produced documentary about a relatively small sports club. We aren't the Chicago Bulls or Man City.

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Where are the stars for our WCC wins? Serious, genuine question.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "My grandson loves the new shirt. If we could have used white instead of black the new shirt for me would be great

I believe the new leisure wear looks really good'"


Is that definitely the new kit? The release says kit is unveiled on the 4th?

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Quote: Grimmy "I don't think the marketing department are that thick that they don't know about Amazon or Netflix. Seriously doubt they would be interested in spending money on a well produced documentary about a relatively small sports club. We aren't the Chicago Bulls or Man City.'"


FWIW I agree.

There are other options that don't aggravate a large % of the fan base tho. Changing something as iconic as our badge is a massive step.

Young kids want to see their heros imo and want to see the club win stuff. They don't care, or understand about a badge.

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There are some things with a sports club that you don't mess with. The crest and the colour of the kit.

Yes you need to modernise, but you also need to keep the traditions of the club. Man Utd won't lose the devil, Liverpool the Liverbird, Arsenal the gun etc etc.

Someone has mocked up a different crest with the shield and castle on as opposed to the warrior and it is a million times better.

I would love to know who they spoke to that didn't feel the crest was recognisable and would argue it's because they aren't rugby fans and wouldn't recognise the new one either. Who is going to look at that "warrior" and instantly say "oh yeah that's wigan" ? If they spoke to any actual Wigan fans and they said that above the actual crest then they either want shooting or are aged 7 and under.

By all means create a badge for leisurewear and kiddies tshirts (do any adults buy a max tshirt for example) or even as a marketing tool but just do not f*** with the official club crest.

As for the costs....training wear having a printed badge is fine. The more lightweight the better. If it's an issue on the shirt then use a print like in 2005 or the rubber stamp that GB had? That is just a poor excuse/reason.

This is more likely to drive fans away than encourage them to attend games IMO. A huge huge own goal/f*** up.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "Is that definitely the new kit? The release says kit is unveiled on the 4th?'"


I believe it is i.e. the mainly red with some thin black hoops
My son sent me a photo of it
Not sure where he got it from

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