You said everybody was complaining about there being no money to spend, i said i was not complaining, thwerefore you were exagerating on this point... If you wilfully choose to see it another way, it probably says more about you... HTH

i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter.

but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him.

I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say.

and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?

All this over Gelling going to Widnes? Christ almighty.

All of what is Smith’s fault? I haven’t said anything is his or anybody else’s fault? All I’ve said I’m happy with the way the club is being run and most of the decisions being made. I trust IL and KR to do the right thing for the club and I’m excited to see what we look like next season. If you’re happy in a world of doom and gloom good luck to you!

Quote: WiganBurt "i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter. but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him. I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say. and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?'" Here, have a look. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history All the accounts are there from way back. Have a look what sort of mess Wigan were in before IL took over.

Quote: WiganBurt "i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter. but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him. I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say. and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?'" Here, have a look. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history All the accounts are there from way back. Have a look what sort of mess Wigan were in before IL took over.

How is it a disregard of your opinion? Don't you know the difference between 'disagree' and 'disregard'? I clearly disagree with your opinion and have given you valid reasons why. That is the polar opposite of disregarding it.

It seems that you are unable to accept it when someone disagrees with you and throw a strop when your argument is shown to have no validity whatsoever.

You claimed Tomkins was not on a third of a million per year and would command a large transfer fee. I gave a balanced reason based on previous salaries and current market transfer fees why this was probably wrong. I even showed that even if we weighted all the figures heavily (and, as we know, unrealistically) in your favour, your premise that we would nett a return on that investment was completely wrong.

I have taken the trouble to answer you with a reasoned post. At least have the decency to afford me the same courtesy.

Either that or admit you're wrong. Either will suffice.

Wow, another one to add to my ignore list, bye bye Burt

Disregarding my opinion is basically saying ok you can think what you like I don't agree. disagreeing with my opinion is admission that I have an opinion but that yours differs. however all I experience on here from you and others on a regular basis is a regular bashing of my opinion, and not only that, claims that I my opinion is actually wrong.

how can an opinion be wrong? it cannot, its an opinion. i'm sick of coming on here for a chinwag and spending endless hours trying to justify myself to folk on here who seem to have nothing better to do other than sift through my posts and delight themselves with damning responses for their own benefit.

it has taken at least 4 pages of this kind of onslaught that i'm used to from here before someone has actually come back to me with a decent reply, evidence or constructive objection.

you wonder why folk get annoyed on here, you wonder why folk don't go to games any more. who needs enemies with fellow fans like this?

I stand by and maintain my points raised in this topic and will say nothing more on the matter. this is a forum for opinions, and it is my opinion. I suggest if you are the ones who don't like it that you are the ones who refrain from rising to the temptation to respond.

how thoughtful and grown up of you, thank you.

You seriously don't understand that you can have an incorrect opinion? Really? If I told you it was my opinion that the world was flat or that black was white you're telling me that by default that would be correct because it was my opinion? Opinions can be right, wrong, well informed, misinformed and many shades in between. I'm not arguing that you shouldn't be allowed to have your opinion. I'm arguing that it's wrong and I've explained why. Interesting, don't you think, that YOU'VE changed the point of discussion from whether your opinion is right or wrong to one of 'my opinion shouldn't be challenged whether it is or not because its mine'. Might I suggest that if you don't want your opinion challenged you don't post it on a public forum!

You also accuse people of dismissing your opinion but that's exactly what you're doing! You are not the arbiter of what is valid and what is not. I've given you good reasons why your initial premise was wrong. Despite your dismissiveness and obstinacy I've never once resorted to impoliteness or attempted to belittle your opinion. Merely tried to offer an alternative viewpoint that I believe illustrates why you were mistaken in your belief. I'll say it again; why not afford me the same respect?

You are convinced you are right. Explain to me why. Explain how investing potentially in the region of a million pounds on a new contract for Sam Tomkins would generate a nett profit when we move him on for a few tens of thousands (even assuming that anyone would pay it in the first place!)

Any chance of an actual answer this time or would you prefer to keep bickering?