Aside from your fist point Itchy i think we are on pretty much the same track. I am glad to see that somebody else actually rates Wakey as serious party poopers this year. Chris Chester is slowly buliding a very good side and also getting the youngsters tied down to long term contracts in the process. I have been long time advocate of Wakey dropping out because of their Sunderland like persistence of just hanging on every year with awful facilities but they haven't just cried off. They are making serious noises and have been for some time about a new stadium and for the last couple of years have shown a marked improvement in incoming players and youth and again this year it seems they have bettered it again. Too many people are writing them off. They aren't the whipping boys any more.

They will definitely not be pushovers and I would be delighted if they got to the CC final or made the top 4. Not sure of the strength in depth that they have but they appear to be building a pretty decent pack that could give a few teams a bit of trouble.
I can see them starting well like Widnes did last year I just hope they have a bit more bant than Widnes and just end up hanging on for a top 8 place.

I'm not sure how I'd feel if we start being more expansive, and more 'entertaining', but then lose.
Sometimes you just have to win doing the hard stuff, and I'm fine with that if we hold up the cup in October.

I'm with you. People forget that in 2012 in Waney's first season we did score a load of points and were far more entertaining than under Madge. We won the LLS at Hull KR in one of the finest comebacks of the Super League era.

It all counted for nothing as we lost to Leeds by a penalty in the playoff. The mood on here was that Wane had got it wrong and that winning by a cricket score in earlier rounds had done us no favours when it came to grinding out a result against battle hardened Leeds.

Of course we all want to be entertained by free flowing rugby, but to be honest I was more than happy with the entertainment on offer at Warrington, Hull and Old Trafford in the last few weeks of the season.

There is no way that Wigan would have been anywhere near to winning the league leaders shield or winning the GF if the team had not been able to battle through the season, it wasnt pretty but proved effective. It was a complete squad performance with every player that pulled on the jersey doing their bit to get the team to the play offs. If you look on the wire board there are some saying they wouldnt want to win "the wigan way". Well gritty whole hearted effort got wigan close and in the playoffs Widnes game apart they played entertaining enough for me.

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38862223

m.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/38862223

Interesting. I don't disagree with the overall thrust of that article, but Tony Smith has consistently failed to land the big one, and Daryl Powell hasn't got anywhere near Old Trafford and has reached Wembley only once while coaching Cas (and losing).

I'm not sure the Wire and Cas fans will find stats like that massively entertaining.

A very strange article. It presupposes that Britain and Australia are playing on a level field.

The GF winning coaches in Super League prior to this decade have all (apart from Brian Noble) come from Australia or New Zealand. Nine in total. Only Brian McDermott and Shaun Wane can be added to that list from this decade.

It is hardly surprising that British Rugby League has tried to ape the NRL. Our own club required Australian methods under Madge to make us successful again.

Again the 'love-in' with Daryl Powell. I can't understand the media fascination with him. If he went back to Leeds we'd soon see him compromise his beliefs in favour of a winning style. Clubs like Wigan and Leeds demand winning rugby over entertainment. At Cas he can entertain all he likes because he won't get the sack for winning nothing. At Wigan if Waney doesn't deliver he gets the sack regardless of the entertainment value. Same with Brian Mac at Leeds. In any case Cas are hardly packing the fans in are they?

You make a good point. I suppose we can't expect every single game to enthrall us. We have to grind out the tough games in the tough weather. I suppose there is a time and place for expansive rugby. In the last quarter last season we had no choice but it was good to see that every member of our squad can play rugby in both disciplines whenever required. It gives us a great edge if we need to chase a game.

You cant beat a fair weather comment..

You have twisted the facts there a bit, haven't you? Aside from forgetting Ellery Hanley, You could equally say 5 of the 6 Grand Finals this decade have been won by British coaches, and that it was 50/50 in the early years. Antipodeans dominated 2006-2010 but that run is long finished, and doesn't look to change this year with Wigan, Leeds, Saints, Hull FC and Castleford all having British coaches. The only major exception is Tony Smith, who has been here for a very long time now.

The good thing about this kind of message board is that you can log on, spout whatever bo...x youwant and not be dragged over the coals by the liberal thought police (liberal as in free to agree with me). The Yellow Giraffe can say whatever they like and we are freeish to respond, within reason. As for the acusation that YG is a troll They are more like "my little troll".