A funny statement, only because ever since Maguire took over Wigan have been anywhere but having their "backs firmly against the wall".

Which are the instances you are thinking about? I hardly think that Saturday can be described as such - it promises to be a hell of a game but neither team has their backs to the wall.

There is no doubt that under Maguire Wigan have continually delivered though.

I think he means games like at Knowsley road last year with 12 men, Leeds play-off game at Headingley and Huddersfield away this season. We went to an in-form Huddersfield, and won convincingly without the likes of Sam Tomkins, Pat Richards, Gleeson (at the time) Fielden, Deacon, Finch. It was certainly 'backs against the wall' stuff.

apologies, i didn't make it very clear in my original post, what i meant to say was that the wigan side was weaker than the wire side at the DW earlier this year. but to be fair although they are great players i don't think losing either of the players you mention in Matt King etc compares to not having the current MOS in your side, whether fit or not!

we simply have the mental edge (IMO) due to toppling you from the top of the league. this game not only decides who progresses in the cup but it also will tell on the league too i think.

a wire win at the weekend and wigan will not only be dejected at a loss but wire can also take that confidence into regaining the top spot in the league and doing better than last year in the playoffs.

a wigan win at the weekend and it could prove very significant in the league too from a confidence point of view for the wigan players and IN THE PAST at the final hurdle wire have sometimes "bottled" it as some would say - no myself - but some would say so.

hence what i originally said

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I think the funniest thing is how he thought pat was worse than king obviously forgot he's usually top try scorer too.

Matt King is better than Pat Richards.... what gives you the impression he isn't.

The miracle of sight.

Yes sight helps, but so does a knowledge of rugby, and Matt King is a better rugby player than Pat Richards.

Take it to the VT because no one Wigan and Wire is going to agree on this.

Ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

No problem, its more difficult for some people than others to discard club loyalty, and think rationally.

His Man of Steel trophy says his Peers, you know those in the know? Says he is a better player than King.

A lesson on rationality from a distinctly average troll?!

You're priceless sunshine.