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20333_1393344959.gif Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif |
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Games staged at Anfield and Goodison Park, walk through Stanley Park to each game with camera crews filming it and showing clips just before the game interviewing fans, if they only show the games and a 5 second clip of the outside events nobody will see what it's like, maybe press the red button for a live camera from Stanley Park with Brian Carney mooching about looking for funny people to chat to and acting daft
Major events in Stanley Park with decent but not that expensive/famous comedians ( Jack Whitehall, Kevin Bridges, Lee Mack) aswell as beer tents, bands and pop acts.
An hour between each game for people to see the comedians, bands, acts etc
Have it May Bank Holiday weekend
Have a famous comedian as a compare rather than some over exited Keith Chegwin soundalike
They were made up Joe Calzaghe was there as was Mickey Rourke, celebs and sports stars will turn up to anything if they get paid to make an appearance so lets pay a few and get them in the crowd
Give away tickets to the local school kids (Primary School otherwise there would be stuff getting nicked everywhere
Have ushers ushering loitering fans geting them into the stadiums for the games
Some sort of free merchandise for fans who go to every game
Up the tickets prices accordingley
Saturday Sunday
12 - Pop act to open the event - 12 - Pop act/Band to open event
12.30 - First game (Goodison) - 12.30 - First game (Anfield)
2.30 - Comedians and pop act/band - 2.30 - Comedians and pop act/band
3.30 - 2nd game (Anfield) (Wire v Hudds) - 3.30 - 2nd game (Goodsion Park) (Leeds v Bradford)
5.30 - Comedian and pop act/band - 5.30 - Comedian and pop act/band
6.30 - Final game (Hull Derby) - 6.30 - Final game (Anfield) (Wigan v Saints)
The beauty about this would be if you watched the event on the Saturday and liked the look of it you could easily say sod it we will go 2moz for the others it looks good, you can't do that really with Cardiff and Edinburgh.
Only 6 games but I'd rather lose the bottom 2 teams from the previous years table as this event would be a reward for not being crap.
Thoughts? Should I be working for the RFL or what?
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| Last game of the weekend, Hull v Hull.... Is that about 4 1/2 hours drive to get home? Not the best plan for a school night.
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| Quote: MattyB "Well as well as moving from Cardiff to Edinburgh, they changed from derby matches to random fixtures (and since back). They also changed from May Bank Holiday weekend to the 2nd week in February. I agree it looked poor on TV.'"
My view was the same when they played the first four in May - it didn't really take off then. Changing it to the 1st round of games in February doesn't really change my view, or it seems whether the fans embrace it or not.
There's certainly mileage in trying to be innovative to get some publicity - for example play a double header at the COM Stadium (us v Stains, Leeds v Bradford) and do similar elsewhere in the way union have done in their heartlands. I'm in no way a flatcapper, but seeing less than 20,000 people rattling around a 75,000 stadium for our biggest derby games hardly shows the game in a good light.
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| Quote: headhunter "Reasons for it to carry on
Not saying it should be scrapped, necessarily, but the reasons I don't like it are:
1. Cost (not just cost of travel/tickets/accommodation, but for many of us the cost of time off work. My business can't afford me to be missing all weekend - same reason I can't go to Catalans away).
2. It unbalances the fixture list. If it was treated as one of the regular rounds, it would not only be fairer, but would perhaps free up a weekend for a much needed England practice match. "Home advantage" could alternate year on year.
3. The vast majority of fans are only interested in their own club's match, which, as already pointed out, leads to an almost empty stadium for the more poorly supported clubs.
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16493_1299497226.jpg [quote="king warrior":prbr924b]Adam Blair flew over yesterday and has been training the deal is going to be signed this week
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| Quote: Geoff "2. It unbalances the fixture list. If it was treated as one of the regular rounds, it would not only be fairer, but would perhaps free up a weekend for a much needed England practice match. "Home advantage" could alternate year on year.'"
The only problem with this is Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Bradford, Hull and Hull KR will miss out on their biggest crowd and much needed revenue every other year.
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| Apart from issues such as distorting the fixture list the real problem with MM in my opinion is it fails to do what it is supposed to do which is promote the game.
Who is the Rugby player who just about anyone in the UK could name today? Chris Ashton.
Would he be as well known if RU had a similar weekend, i.e. one round of the domestic competition played at Twickers? I seriously doubt it. Domestic RU is no more big a deal outside its heartlands than RL is outside its own.
MM is an insular event in that it takes a domestic competition on the road but it remains supported by the current fans and I don't see the incentive for people in South Wales to go. Add to that a stadium of the size of MM is just not needed it just looks poor and so this makes RL look a poorly supported sport when in fact most games featured are capable of attracting bigger crowds when played as normal. MM would probably look a lot better if it was "Reebok Magic" given the size of the stadium or as others have suggested at Man City's ground. That still would not address the point of what the event is for though.
If it is to give fans a weekend away then you can argue if it is worth it given what it does to the fixture list. If it's supposed to be to promote the game nationally then IMO the novelty has worn off and it's well past its sell by date. MM is and always has been for me something that has the RFL spending time money and effort it could better employ promoting the international game.
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| Just to add fuel to the fire (especially for those who don't like facts), this weekend was the lowest attended 1st round of matches since 2003 (when there was only 12 teams), and was still beaten by 2004 and 2005 when there were only 6 matches as well.
Add in the fact none of those opening rounds had the main derbies as well for good measure.
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[b:3s8vwxwq]Sadfish[/b:3s8vwxwq] wrote : Peapoi is right.
[b:3s8vwxwq]Geoggy[/b:3s8vwxwq] wrote : particularly when it comes to singing at home games. the singing at home games only really gets going in wigan games.
[b:3s8vwxwq]Saddened[/b:3s8vwxwq] wrote : 1 - Wellens 3/10 Like public transport. Late, slow and stunk.: |
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Just to add fuel to the fire (especially for those who don't like facts), this weekend was the lowest attended 1st round of matches since 2003 (when there was only 12 teams), and was still beaten by 2004 and 2005 when there were only 6 matches as well.
Add in the fact none of those opening rounds had the main derbies as well for good measure.'"
Ouch.
Great stat Andy
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| Just arrived back home .
Have been to all 5 Magic weekends and enjoyed every one .
Have been to Cardiff 6 times for varrious matches at the Millenium and that was the quietest and flattest i have ever seen Cardiff. If they are to continue with this weekend i think they have to move it back to one of the May Bank Holiday weekends or the event will die.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "The aggregate number for Saturday's games was 30,189. That's the average number.'"
What?
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| Quote: 19 Leagues "I didnt decide to go because of the poor reports to be honest Matty. I'd probably give it a go if I could afford it, theres just too many more things in RL that im more interested in going to. I'd rather spend my money on a trip to Catalan and the rest of the away games that dont take up so much time and money overall. If the event was closer to home and just £12.50 a ticket wild horses couldnt keep me away, I worked till 12pm on Saturday also.
I just dont have the luxory of being able to afford a day/weekend at Cardiff aswell as saving up for a trip to Catalan, most away matches, both finals (i usually go despite who's playing) along with paying for my nephew aswell and my lad turns 3 in March so going to start bringing him to a few matches.
Maybe a better thing for the RFL to do would be to hold it closer to the heartlands of Rugby League, because lets face it, we're going nowhere fast in Cardiff & Scotland, the locals just dont care.'"
Its clear you don't care!
I can't afford to go to Catalan but I am not suggesting that it should be played 'closer to the heartlands' so that I can attend.
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| Quote: nohalfbacks "Its clear you don't care!
And no-one is telling you to pÃss off to another sport because you cant go to catalan.
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| Quote: 19 Leagues "And no-one is telling you to pÃss off to another sport because you cant go to catalan.'"
Thats a bit strong and uncalled for. The point I am making is that you chose not to go. That doesn't entitle you to suggest it should be cancelled for those who did go and enjoyed it, like I am not suggesting that the Catalan game should be played at Leigh so that I can go.
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| Quote: nohalfbacks "Thats a bit strong and uncalled for. The point I am making is that you chose not to go. That doesn't entitle you to suggest it should be cancelled for those who did go and enjoyed it, like I am not suggesting that the Catalan game should be played at Leigh so that I can go.'"
I think you need to read your post to him, it was you who started to be confrontational to him and when he gives it back you moan. He has an opinion. If he chooses to go to no match this year he is entitled to give it on every game, its the point of a forum.
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| Quote: Pieman "I think you need to read your post to him, it was you who started to be confrontational to him and when he gives it back you moan. He has an opinion. If he chooses to go to no match this year he is entitled to give it on every game, its the point of a forum.'"
Please explain what is confrontational about my post. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What I am saying is that an opinion is more valid if the person has attended and can speak from experience.
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