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Quote: Cruncher "Let’s not split hairs too much (something you seem to thrive on).

In the post I quoted, you claimed that those RL fans who have issues with Latics are ‘sad’, ‘immature’, ‘pathetic’. In other words they’re ‘wrong’.

My view, which I hinted at in the post you picked up on earlier (when that raw nerve of yours got twanged again), is that every sports fan is entitled to like or dislike any club or team he chooses without moral obligation. They don’t need to offer justification, or even have a reason. It’s sport. So just deal with it and stop being so bloody self-righteous all the time.

Nice attempt to derail the thread, by the way. I think it worked.

PS to Catalancs. Sorry, you're right. It's now boring. But I've made my point as clearly as I can, so I'm gone.'"


Splitting hairs to you obviously means writing something completely untrue about what someone has posted then getting all defensive when someone asks you to prove it and you can't.

Still having problems with that "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics" claim I see - there's a shock. No wonder you want to run away. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Splitting hairs to you obviously means writing something completely untrue about what someone has posted then getting all defensive when someone asks you to prove it and you can't.

Still having problems with that "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics" claim I see - there's a shock. No wonder you want to run away.
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Defensive?

You're the one who charged in here all flustered and outraged when I mentioned the words 'odd' and 'pious'.

I didn't mention you by name, but hey, if the cap fits.

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Latics will stay up this season because Hull/Burnley wont get enough points to get past them.

Next season with Rodallega & N'zogbia gone, they will, all things being equal, go down. Along with West Brom & whoever comes up via the play offs.

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Quote: Cruncher "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics'"

You've had plenty of time to find it now - are you having trouble? icon_lol.gif

I'd say having to make things up to try and prove a point shows the only one flustered and outraged is you. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Cruncher "I'm not sure how you can, given that, by your own words, you haven't seen the paperwork. In fact you don't offer any detail here that I can get my teeth into.

I'm well aware that the law is an ass, and that there are convoluted methods by which astonishingly unfair decisions can occasionally be reached. But it's all about the cost-effectiveness of such things. If Wigan's tenancy at the DW was challenged, the outcome could conceivably be the end of Wigan Warriors as a business entity, and a massive loss of jobs, income, etc. So you can be sure that Wigan, and probably Wigan Athletic, would fight it with everything they've got. We now should ask ourselves, are the PL really likely to enter some complex legal battle which may (in fact will probably) result in them having to pay out an awful lot of money? Possibly, but it can't be very likely, especially given that Latics are almost certainly going to be relegated some time in the near future anyway.

However, I'm not going to debate this to the point where it becomes an argument. I don't hold with this odd pious view some posters have that all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics. I don't, and I never have - so if (or when) they go down, it's tough but it's life.'"



Indeed Cruncher. I certainly hold with what you say in general above. As for the underlined just ask yourself this; if we have a 'watertight agreement' why didn't we play our semi-final at the JJB (as was) despite the known clause why we couldn't not having been breeched? Why did Maurice have to, as I understand it, spend all night on the phone pleading for the game to be allowed if it was written in the ontrat that it was our legal right? Why did IL go cap in hand to Whelan to get something that was already agreed in writing? I can think of at least 3 scenarios why this would be the case, any of which would point to our rights of tenancy not being, shall we say, quite so secure as you seem to believe.

Anyway, this will play out completely out of our control, so there is little point in worrying about it. As I said though, I strongly believe anyone taking the line 'we've signed a contrat therefore there's bugger all they an do about it' might be in for a rude awakening. Again, I just hope the WRLFC legal team were on the ball with this one.

There is one other point I'd like to make on this. Slightly removed from the above but relevent nonetheless. Great play is being made, particularly by Whelan, about the lease having just been extended to 50 years as if this gives greater security. However, this is only the case if the initial lease gave us security in the first place. We have no idea what the terms of the original lease were and whether these were changed during the negotiations to extend. It's always worth noting that not everything does what it says on the tin!

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Thought you'd gone?

Been able to find anyone who posted anything remotely like

You've had plenty of time to find it now - are you having trouble? icon_mrgreen.gif

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Quote: Cruncher "'Sad', 'immature', 'pathetic'.

Your words to describe RL fans who have a problem with the Latics.

Don't keep trying to pretend you meant something else. It may wash in the winebars of Leeds, but it doesn't wash here.

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Stick with it, kid. You might at some poiint convince someone that you meant something else.

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Quote: Cruncher "Who's blustering again?

Thanks for finally confirming that you can't back-up what I asked and neither are you brave enough to admit you wrote bollox. Bit of a double whammy. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Thanks for finally confirming that you can't back-up what I asked and neither are you brave enough to admit you wrote bollox. Bit of a double whammy.
Don't what you're fussing about. You know as well as I do that you were having a pop at Wigan fans who don't like the Latics. You don't appear to extend the same criticism to RL fans who live in other towns.

It's not difficult to work out where you're at.

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Quote: Cruncher "Don't what you're fussing about. You know as well as I do that you were having a pop at Wigan fans who don't like the Latics. You don't appear to extend the same criticism to RL fans who live in other towns.

It's not difficult to work out where you're at.'"


I don't know why you keep bringing this up (actually I do because you've still not answered the original question and seem somewhat reluctant to and we all know the reason why), but I'll put up the quote for you againwhole victim complex on both sides incredibly sad and immature."

"Sitting on both sides of the 'divide' I think those that have the chip on their shoulder about one thing or another to do with the other club are pretty pathetic,".

So at about the 15 time of trying are you able to back up your original point of some saying "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics"?

Why are you so reluctant to back that up? You've had plenty of time to find something or are you actually saying what I said above is essentially the same?

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