Said before it needs to be 2.5m a year or 50% of last years turn over if the club has not got a 5m turnover. This would also encourage clubs to market themselves better which of course would promote the game more. Thing is the RFL cannot see this same with the Championship it needs a 1.4m cap or 50% of turnover you would then get a better more marketable second tier comp that could have the TV rights sold to Eurosport or ESPN.

yes, the cap is a good idea, but not in its current form.

The value of £ to be spent needs upping or I would prefer a 50% of turnover cap, which seeks to reward clubs who build fan bases etc, not handicap Wigan to the likes of Quins.

Mo and the other three taking control was as significant an event in the clubs history if not more so than IL taking over from DW and Mo. Before that it was committee run club and after 1982 Mo & Co had the freedom to act.
It was a watershed and to imply as your original post did that Mo was running the club 6 years before we won the CC and 8 before the championship is just misleading.

Yes you did. The bit you have missed off from the above is “There are many other parallels but in essence the stories the same.” How is the story the same when from 1982 Mo appointed Murphy, replaced him with Clarke and McInnes after just over two years who then won the cup? I see no parallels or similar story in the recent history of Wigan.



But it did exist! It was also an important trophy and was the first trophy we won for 12 years. That is an important point because it means Mo didn’t take as long as you imply to bring what people considered success to the club.

Mo wasn’t in charge in 80/81 and we had two coaches appointed after 1982 before we won the cup so I am not ignoring the fact you are right because you are wrong. Bamford resigned in 1982. Murphy was appointed by Mo in 1982, was with the club for just over two years and was replaced by the Clarke/McInnes duo who brought us the cup. That is two coaching appointments from the time he took over unless you are trying to suggest Clarke and McInnes were separate appointments, which I am pretty sure you are not.


Sorry, the 86/87 season.
In 85/86 we won the Regal Trophy again and the Lancashire cup.

As I said it was a watershed moment when those four took over and everyone accepts that from that point on Mo was the driving force behind Wigan. Suggesting he was running it as influentially as post 1982 pre 1982 is just pure spin. What is also significant is that there was success before the club won the CC in 1985 and in between then and winning the championship in 86/87 season.

The cub only went full time in 91/92 so what has got to do with the period in question I do not know. As to the SC the way some go on you would think it only affected Wigan and when Mo & Co took control in 1982 we were not long out of the 2nd division having played in front of crowds of 8500. IL took over a Super League club containing several international players with top facilities and supposedly a top coach already in place. He has not had to make the club attractive to a coach the calibre of Lowe because we were already a top flight club with excellent training facilities, ground a large supporter base.


He wasn’t in charge as your previous post implied and he brought success within 12 months of him and the other three gaining control. We also started to sign top local players as opposed to letting other teams nick them from under our noses with Edwards being the first big step in that direction. This sort of thing did not happen in the committee years prior to 1982.

Why do you think it was easy the first time?


Not correct. Noble has been here longer than either. Murphy was here just over two years, Clarke and Mcinnes just less than two. Noble has been here about 3 and half years already and is the longest serving coach post 1982 apart from Monie in his first stint.

The point is your take on history and what went on back then having parallels to the situation now or a similar story is fanciful.

You miss out significant bits of information because it suits your argument you mean.

If you have not seen one you aren’t looking very hard.


Get real? Why do I need to “get real” about a stance YOU have decided I hold? You are putting words into my mouth again so you can disagree with me!


If they continue at this rate it will be another three years before we are a regular top four side.
When we won the Regal Trophy’s and Lancashire cup between 1982 and 87 these represented tangible bits of progress along the way to those CC and Championship wins. We don’t have those trophies now of course to measure progress but in my opinion we have not made anything like that sort of progress toward success in the major competitions in recent years compared to what happened after 1982.
Who is most responsible for this lack of progress? IMO mostly Noble as he is the one who’s team shows little improvement from 2007 to now. Is IL blameless since he has only been here for 20 months? Not IMO because he has made mistakes as well in terms of signings. Has he got everything wrong which you seem to think is my view? Of course not but I can point to several issues plenty of people agree he has not got right.

Dave

It was a pity as IMO it was a matter of principle worth sticking up for. The reason they did not was because by the time any case would have been heard it would have been too late to affect the competition. The club would have had to play under the imposition of the penalties and the league positons would have been decided.

They were also about to sell up to IL and so perhaps it was right to forgo sticking to their guns so as not to lumber him with a court case against the RFL.

Dave

Its performances like last night that will be as responsible for Noble going as any defeat to the likes of Celtic.

Hull were there for the taking and we once again made it hard for ourselves.