get rid asap

would rather have o'barrell in the team than the useless pudding that is stuart fielden

None of that explains why Fielden is garbage when carrying the ball.

If you truely believe that the worlds gone mad!

So Fielden is cack because Mason punched him, because he doesn't have 3 big units at the side of him like he did at Bradford, because of off-field trauma's, because of burn out, because he's lost his passion for the game and now because he's being used solely to drag Feka's ar*e through a game

In truth it's a mixture of a few of those but whatever way we look at it he's pretty much a spent force.

I'd consider him to be doing an ok job if he were on 60-70k a year but he's not, he's our highest paid and most experienced player so therefore he should be producing the very highest quality rugby.

Thankyou for the insult. I believe people are allowed to disagree?

Can I point out that your whole view is based on a misconception on your part. Namely, that Fielden and feka are a pair thay play together to produce a single player. A single player that costs nearly £500,000 pounds each season and leaves Wigan apparently with only 12 players v 13.

It is a misconception on your part because Fielden has not always come off the reserve bench alongside Feka. Very often Fielden started games until recently and of course when Feka goes off the field of play, Fielden is still there.

Even allowing for your misconception how is Jamie Peacock able to do both parts of the props job specification and Stuart Fielden can only do 1 or neither

Exactly. He has no natural feel for the sport because he started playing the game too late. He benefitted from having a great conditioner early in his career. The sport moved on and Fielden lost the conditioner who built him up physically.

I had to leave for an overseas project at short notice. I'm sorry Stuart.

That he was overrated ?

Yes really. I wouldn't of thought his metres gained per carry would be more or less on par with his one's at Bradford, nor would of thought his work in defence would be higher than his Bradford days.

It's not to say we should keep him nor am I trying to make out he's a world beater but it certainly does make surprising reading.

Why is it mis conception?

1.Does Fielden come one with Feka. Yes
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2.Does Fielden do more tackling when he is on the field than Feka. Yes.

3.Does Feka do 2 / 3 big runs tires then gets targeted in defence. Yes

4.Is Fielden hated because how much he cost? Yes.

Is the Leeds pack line of, Peacock, Burgess, Leuluai, Lauitiiti, Bailey & Buchcanan, better than ours? IMO yes.

Would Fielden play better in a big pack like Leeds and Warrington than he does in a light weight pack like ours. IMO yes.

Look at S. Burgess had a very good year the other year in a big Bradford pack, not had a good year in a light weight pack this year.

The 1st 4 points are fact, the others are my opinion. You can agree or disagree that's what a debate is about, but you cant doubt Facts.

I presume you know that for certain?

I mean, you would lose any credibility you haven't got if you quoted that without actually knowing, wouldn't you?