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19801.gif [quote="Susan":1cwsq9hj]I've had enough, lets not go down the shouting for the coaches head route, Brians done a fantastic job. He took the club over in dificult circumstances and the team punched well above there weight in the play offs. We've got to be realistic, our glory days have gone, we're no longer a Saints, Leeds or a Warrington.[/quote:1cwsq9hj]
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Added to this of course would be the enquiries into the club should they wish to advertise the post. There would be the usual dross but also some applicants worthy of consideration IMO.'"
Steve folkes not available? He would do ok for you
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| Quote: Cruncher "
Why you would be in the second camp I'm not sure - it's pretty difficult to believe that someone would openly try to replace a senior manager without having told him first (even though Noble himself was allegedly putting himself in the shop window at one stage without having told anyone). Now I can assure people all day that Noble knew the writing was on the wall for him some time ago. But if they're simply going to disbelieve it, there's nothing else really to be said.'" ]
So why didn't IL just come out and say this? He'd have more respect if he came out and said that we wouldn't be offering BN another contract and that the search had started for a replacement. Instead, it appears that he went on the radio and made it appear that Noble could get an extension on the basis of results. Okay, so that's not a problem now, because our results have been pants, but if IL had already decided this prior to the interview, then why cover it up?
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| Quote: DaveO "It's obvious.
1. You decide if you are going to give BN a deal or not.
2. If you are, you offer him the job and if he accepts goto step 6.
3. If you do not want to give him the job you tell him and goto step 5
4. If he doesn't want the job any more, goto step 5
5. Start the search for a new coach.
6. Having decided on new coach who accepts the job , get the contracts signed etc
7. Announce it to the fans and media
What you don't do this this
On the other hand, the reasons the process is neither nice and linear or completely transparent are: (1) he doesn't want to make a public announcement about Noble leaving the club until he has a replacement, and (2) he's still negotiating with interested parties.
Do you work in computing perchance?
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| Quote: Madderzahatter "So why didn't IL just come out and say this? He'd have more respect if he came out and said that we wouldn't be offering BN another contract and that the search had started for a replacement. Instead, it appears that he went on the radio and made it appear that Noble could get an extension on the basis of results. Okay, so that's not a problem now, because our results have been pants, but if IL had already decided this prior to the interview, then why cover it up?'"
I don't know. But it all depends on what was said to Noble in private - that's what really matters. My info is that this was all dealt with at that level several weeks ago.
IL's comments, such as they were, don't look particularly good, but I don't see how publically stating that Noble won't be at Wigan next year could be seen in a much better light. It would still have been hugely embarrassing for the guy.
I'd imagine that if we'd gone on to win the CC (which won't happen), and the GF (which we now probably won't even quality for), then something might have changed. But otherwise, everyone in Wigan must have known perfectly well that Noble was going.
I'm quite amused by all the people suddenly rushing to defend Noble's honour in all this. We should remember that, almost from the beginning of his time at Wigan, there have been stories that he's been applying for other jobs. There've also been his highly unprofessional bleatings to the press and to groups of drunken fans. He hasn't conducted himself particularly well, and that's before we even take into account his poor coaching.
People keep saying that this is irrelevant to the issue. I don't think it is. Sometimes you make rods for your own back, and I don't think Brian Noble has helped his case at all this last season.
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| Quote: Pemps "I know it's going over old ground again, well the past 3/4 pages anyway, but Wigan didn't leak the "discussions" with Kearney, Kearney's agent did. From the reports all I can see is Wigan asked if he'd be interested in being head coach. No formal approach or contract offer was made.
I genuinely can't see what IL has done wrong here. He's approaching coaches to replace Noble, that's all. If he doesn't approach people then he won't get anyone. We're apparently approaching props for next year but nobody is getting their knickers in a twist about Coley's feelings.'"
Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
If results are still house by the end of the season and he didn't line up an alternative, some of the same people would criticise him for having no plan B. It's obvious certain posters have really got their knickers in a twist about Lenagan and have an agenda to whinge about him whatever he does. It really does make them look silly.
Pemps - how about a Whinging Wiganer t-shirt line? You'd sell thousands.
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| Quote: phibes "On the other hand, the reasons the process is neither nice and linear or completely transparent are
That is the point though. You can't negotiate with interested parties and hope to keep it secret. It all came out over the Higham thing he was not going to be here and the same has happened with Noble.
No one is suggesting IL says who he is negotiation with by the way just that if Noble is no longer wanted then that is made clear to all parties and that the search for a new coach has begun. I cannot see what is wrong with that straightforward and above board approach.
What you certainly can't do and IMO expect to pull off, is offer the job to someone else and hope if they knock you back your current coach doesn't find out about it so you can keep him on, which is I think, was one of the suggestions being made as a reason for IL to prolong the myth Noble gets to keep his job if results are good enough.
As I have said if IL decided Noble was no longer the man for the job than that ought to the end of Noble's time here. Keeping him on because no one else turned out to be interested ought not to be an option.
Quote: phibes "Do you work in computing perchance?
Yes but I will get fired for using goto's
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "
If results are still house by the end of the season and he didn't line up an alternative, some of the same people would criticise him for having no plan B. It's obvious certain posters have really got their knickers in a twist about Lenagan and have an agenda to whinge about him whatever he does. It really does make them look silly.'"
Well plan A is clearly to get a new coach.
What is plan B?
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| Quote: DaveO "Well plan A is clearly to get a new coach.'"
Is it?
You know that for certain?
Of course you don't, but why let the facts get in the way of a good whine.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Is it?
You know that for certain?
Of course you don't, but why let the facts get in the way of a good whine.'"
Why would anyone conclude plan A is not to replace Noble when IL has offered the job to Kearney?
To suggest otherwise is simply not being plausible. So what would plan B be again?
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Is it?
You know that for certain?
Of course you don't, but why let the facts get in the way of a good whine.'"
Surely IL wouldn't have question Kearney about the job at all if he wasn't looking for a new coach
Unless you are suggesting that its Noble that wants out of Wigan and IL is having to scout around?? (Noble has a nerve if this is the case)
That said i believe Brian will have been first to know either way re his position for next season after the board came to a decision.
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Surely IL wouldn't have question Kearney about the job at all if he wasn't looking for a new coach
Unless you are suggesting that its Noble that wants out of Wigan and IL is having to scout around?? (Noble has a nerve if this is the case) '"
Either way "plan A" is to replace Noble.
Quote: Chris Saint "That said i believe Brian will have been first to know either way re his position for next season after the board came to a decision.'"
You would like to think so but the Higham saga shows sometimes the person leaving may be labouring under a false impression he can influence matters such that he can stay if things work out.
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| Quote: DaveO "Why would anyone conclude plan A is not to replace Noble when IL has offered the job to Kearney?
To suggest otherwise is simply not being plausible. So what would plan B be again?
Dave'"
You do understand the difference between offering someone a job and sounding them out if they are interested?
Given that I know you know the difference, why start making statements you have absolutely no idea are true or not - i.e. Lenagan has offer the job to Kearney, when you have absolutely no idea whether that is true.
You have no idea what plan A, B or C is. Neither do the rest of us, but then we're not the ones blinded by an anti-Lenagan agenda.
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| Quote: DaveO "It's obvious.
What you don't do this this
isnt that what nobby did to micky higham . they say what gose round comes round
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Surely IL wouldn't have question Kearney about the job at all if he wasn't looking for a new coach'"
I don't know, maybe he's ensuring a fall back position if results don't improve? Maybe he'll give Noble an extension if we win the Cup, but wants a back-up if that doesn't happen. Who knows.
The point is nobody on here probably knows but there are some who are desperate to jump to conclusions because it means they have something to whinge, whine and bellyache about - its a bit of a national sport in Wigan.
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| Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "I don't know, maybe he's ensuring a fall back position if results don't improve? Maybe he'll give Noble an extension if we win the Cup, but wants a back-up if that doesn't happen. Who knows.
The point is nobody on here probably knows but there are some who are desperate to jump to conclusions because it means they have something to whinge, whine and bellyache about - its a bit of a national sport in Wigan.'"
I think you're stretching a bit here. BBC reported that IL offerd the job and Kearney had turned the job down. If this was incorrect reporting I would have thought the parties in question - particularly IL - would have been up in arms or at the very least issued a denial. The deafening silence from Wigan tells its own tale TBH.
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