Jesus!!! Going through this thread post by post, i seriously fot you, especially given your alleged great debating skills

I hope you are drunk as this is the most idiotic stance i have ever read on here.

A drugs cheat

One of the best players i have ever seen was Brett Kenny, but due to the fact he was playing against part time players he was actually clearly crap, give me Lee Briers anyday

I suppose we can clearly say that players who played in the past are crap.

But the players of today ?

Well they are great.

Especially Mathers

Exactly.

Richie Mathers > Steve Hampson
Michael Platt > Alan Tait
Dennis Moran > Wally Lewis, Peter Sterling, Brett Kenny, Laurie Daley, Cliff Lyons
James Graham > Glen Lazarus, Andy Platt, Dean Pay, Paul Harrigon

Ellery Hanley - the most gifted player of my generation.

and for leading a team like it was a battlefield

Shaun Edwards

the post at the top that mentioned Kevin Ward was spot on- great player , you wouldnt have wanted him against you - or for those like me born in the 60s. Mal Reilly --- only saw him when i was a kid but what an all round player and hard doesnt go near to describing his presence on the field

and of course both of the above got total respect from the Australians when they played club rugby in the ARL- that says it all

But in 20 years they will become crap.

Has Brett Kenny forgotten that Wigan had to sell their ground before the salary cap because of what they paid their players?

And that Saints won the double in 96 pre-salary cap - so our winning team was built before the introduction of the salary cap?

One day, he'll realise that Wigan's sh*tness lies not with the salary cap, but his club's incompetent management of it. But he won't admit it.

I think if you're talking about the legends of yesteryear the key thing is whether they physically had the stature and basic pace to play in the modern era. Skills clearly aren't an issue - someone with Murphy's skills would be a skilful player in any era.

I think if you are talking forwards say from the 20s or 30s most of them weren't tall enough or big enough framed to allow them to develop the physique needed to handle the physicality of modern RL (tthe players of that era were at least as hard as the forwards playing SL today, they just wouldn't be big enough and couldn't be even if they had modern gyms and nutrition).

The unfortunate comment about Boston in my signature is so laughable because given modern fitness methods (which we don't seem to have at the moment at Wigan ) I have absolutely no doubt that the prodigious physical gifts of Boston would allow him to shine in the modern era. Would he have been as good as Offiah as a winger? Could he have been an international class strike centre maybe? We'll never know the answers to these questions but its ludicrous to suggest that he wouldn't have been any good in the modern era.

How can BK forget something which didn't happen?

Instead of the usual over-simplification and urban myth propaganda of the pro-SC brigade, try reading the multitude of threads where the massive overspend on the new stand - redeveloping the ground, that was never on Stains agenda but Wigan were trying their best -and the lowest gate prices in Div One - a misguided but benevolent policy by a club that has always been for the people, which is why our crowds are so much better than yours - are identified as the key reasons Wigan got so heavily into debt.

Now come come. Surely nothing can touch your "Noble must be had up for Fraud" gem.

That will NEVER be beaten.