I think you missed the point of what I was trying to make. We have a good base that if slightly added to can go onto bigger and better things.

Plenty of people on here are losing their heads and are advocating getting rid of half the team some want to get rid of Hock even tho he’s been better than most 2nd rows this season? Same goes for Hansen one of the best defensive 2nd rows In the league who is a consummate professional and hard worker? Why get rid of them? What would it solve?

How about instead we look at Saints and Leeds and think what do they have which all the other teams don't? Continuity from season to season- Players such as Sinfield, JJB, Gardner & Smith have all been rubbished or called 'average' during some point In their career but their clubs have kept faith in them and it’s more than been repaid. JJB is the perfect example of this, how many people said he was rubbish two seasons ago and was just a work horse type player and nothing more? Instead of letting him go for being ‘average’ Leeds saw his potential and worked at unleashing it why can’t we do this? Why do we think getting rid of a player that isn’t quite there with parts of their game is the right way forward?

Lets for once not take the squad apart but lets just ADD to it!! This squad is young enough and talented enough and is almost with the addition of one or two players ready for a title challenge.

Oh I totally agree.

I don't want to lose what we have. I rate Hock and I think defensively Hansen is really strong. That was never my point.

Wigan can push on and I agree with the positions you've stated that they are the areas in need of improvement.

Would be interesting to see now if other Wigan fans would still take an aging prop i.e Wiki.

Think I would.

For the rest of the season-Yes
For next season and beyone-No

The short term fixes don’t work when will we learn this??? Wiki will do one maybe two seasons and his impact will lessen by the season. Then we’ll be in the situation where both Wiki and Fielden leave and we have to recruit two front line props. It’s hard enough to find one never mind two good props these days.

We need someone the right age of 30 who can do a good four-five years at the club maybe even more. I still think LMS is the player we need and I’d liken his signing to those of Senior, Ellis or Paul Sculthorpe all of who were stand out players for ‘lesser’ clubs who were snatched up at a good age and went onto be either club legends or very, very good players LMS can do that for us and will not only benefit us next season but his impact on the team will grow with every season he’s with us.

Lets build a team that will not only be good enough to challenge next season but will be even stronger, more experience the season after that and so on.

So after 7 pages You agree !

So what your saying is that your original post was an Over reaction???

I think that s what everyone was telling You!

I rate the likes of Hock but think he has too many errors in his game to be given the praise he does. At times his play is down right stupid.

Hansen is good in defense but offers little in attack unless put through an open gap.

Look at the SL homepage, interesting to see the top tackler this season..

Meant to quote the full bit to be honest, it was meant to be a reply to the original point. Although your last sentence makes you look more of a smartass than anyone to be fair.

Your entitled to your opinion, just sick of certain people picking holes in 1 player as if that's the answer to all our problems!
I apologize if that's what you think about my quote but if the original post had been done correctly then maybe I wouldn't have misunderstood it!
The way it reads currently is that your the one having a dig at me????

That was never my intention mate honestly.

Hock can be a match winner but can be a coach killer, i rate him but would not be too sad to see him move away from the club as long as it was for a spell in the NRL.

The frustrating thing is we get the odd snap shot of how skillfull the players can be before we return to the usual dross, usually when we are chasing a game or play against a team that on the night was taylor made for our tactics, tactics we rarely if ever seem to change regardless of there success/failure or opposition.

If it was the odd player underperforming then i think you can point the finger at them, but if it is nearly a full team then you have to look at the coach in my opinion.

Still i fully expect us to beat Salford and everything will be rosey again and we will be the best things since sliced bread for a week, and the coach will get praised by the same people who slam the players for the losses/poor performance, something i always find interesting. Its the players fault when we lose by the coaches when we win/perform.

Re-read the post.

I never said I was surprised Lockers was top tackler. Therefore your assumption lead you to the wrong point.